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Kellie-Jay Queen

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Soontobe60 · 25/03/2023 21:53

This woman has shown just how magnificent she can be in the face of hateful misogyny. When most of us might want to run away from such abuse and attacks, she stands strong.
History is full of such women. Let’s post photos of those Queens who stand up for women.

Kellie-Jay Queen
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WarriorN · 26/03/2023 09:39

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:14

The OP asked for photos of other Queens if I understand correctly? I hope I haven’t misunderstood as I don’t want to derail but I thought this apt.

My personal icon, my absolute shero my whole life, is Maori and women’s rights activist, Dame Whina Cooper. Please look her up, she’s amazing! She founded the Maori womens welfare league, which my grandmother was also a founding member of.

Women traditionally couldn’t speak on marae, but that didn’t stop her. She tells a story of attending a huge hui ( meeting ) with hundreds of people. She stands to speak and the men try to stop her speaking! Yes. So she said, ‘ I had to lift up my skirts and remind them of where they all came from!’

Sorry was supposed to be a quote!

WarriorN · 26/03/2023 09:39

The Māori equivalent of Elaine Miller!!! 👏 🎉

Women on polar opposites of the world championing women's rights!

Love this!

Whatthechicken · 26/03/2023 09:35

I think we all need to be a little more Kellie - Jay in the coming weeks.

beastlyslumber · 26/03/2023 09:31

It's tremendously inspiring! I think I will buy another t-shirt today. That's a good way to support KJK and spread the word!

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 09:25

I was horrified by the violence at the event and footage

But seeing this image it’s a woman rising up again after nearly being crushed

It’s giving me hope again that we have a voice

Artisticpaint · 26/03/2023 09:24

KJK is so strong, after seeing her bravery I think I’ll go along to one of her Let Women Speak events. If she’s brave be enough, I think am too, courage calls to courage

Whatthechicken · 26/03/2023 09:22

TheWayOfTheWorld · 26/03/2023 08:59

I think a discussion on LinkedIn is quite significant, real names, job titles etc. loads of men denouncing the action of the mob. I honestly think she has woken so many up and whilst the TRAs are busy gloating, they just can’t yet see the clarity she has brought - without even saying a word.

A woman enabling other women to speak. Very powerful.

TomPinch · 26/03/2023 09:20

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:05

Apologies @TomPinch I thought you were living there and not kiwi. . I doubt this is accurate but I see no public contradiction. Because nz media wouldn’t publish it. The fact is every Maori I know, thinks that thinking is stupid and we know it isn’t true. We have no records ti even show that so how would anyone know? Fa’afafine is being appropriated to try and claim it was throughout our cultures pre colonisation, and they are also misrepresenting Samoan culture by claiming Fa’afafine are the same as modern transgenderism. Which is not true. Nobody in Samoan culture thinks you can change sex. Everyone in Polynesia is well aware of how babies are made and that sex is binary.

@Whaeanui

Thanks - I suspected this was so and I accept what you say, and I will acknowledge that I don't get to hear the discussions on marae.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 09:17

Shanksponyorbust · 26/03/2023 09:10

Someone’s been very quick to update KJKs wiki page to removing woman’s rights campaigner to “anti trans” and suggesting she’s far right. It’s crazy that the far left can’t see how authoritarian they are. Hope she’s doing ok.

I read earlier today that only TRAs have access to her Wiki page. Don’t know how that can be true?

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:14

The OP asked for photos of other Queens if I understand correctly? I hope I haven’t misunderstood as I don’t want to derail but I thought this apt.

My personal icon, my absolute shero my whole life, is Maori and women’s rights activist, Dame Whina Cooper. Please look her up, she’s amazing! She founded the Maori womens welfare league, which my grandmother was also a founding member of.

Women traditionally couldn’t speak on marae, but that didn’t stop her. She tells a story of attending a huge hui ( meeting ) with hundreds of people. She stands to speak and the men try to stop her speaking! Yes. So she said, ‘ I had to lift up my skirts and remind them of where they all came from!’

Kellie-Jay Queen
JemimaTiggywinkles · 26/03/2023 09:13

Do you honestly not care who supports KJK along with you? Several people have said how awful this church is, and I get the feeling the response is to shrug your shoulders and say “well I know I’m not like that so whatever”.

Every serial killer in history believed that the sky is blue. Literally every single one. I’m not going to change my opinion (that the sky is, in fact, blue) just because some very bad people agree with me. Guilt-by-association is often bollocks, and the threat of it is just not enough to make me disbelieve the evidence of my own eyes and ears.

KJK is an astoundingly brave woman. I adore how straight forward she is. Let Women Speak is an excellent approach in this area, because fighting it makes it crystal clear that the other side are nothing more than misogynists.

Shanksponyorbust · 26/03/2023 09:10

Someone’s been very quick to update KJKs wiki page to removing woman’s rights campaigner to “anti trans” and suggesting she’s far right. It’s crazy that the far left can’t see how authoritarian they are. Hope she’s doing ok.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 09:10

Now that I think about it, not one Māori person I know in my huge organisation - with many Māori employees - has pronouns in their email sig.
I am going to look out for that now.

nilsmousehammer · 26/03/2023 09:07

There's several threads today where the same posters are posting what looks rather like blunt provocation to start an argument in the guise of a different opinion, and make the thread nothing more than a pointless interaction with them going over the same ground every day. Noticeable too that if no one rises to it, they post again louder to get the response. Please just shrug and move on, reacting doesn't achieve much.

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:06

That photo of Posie, amazing!! What a shero

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:05

Apologies @TomPinch I thought you were living there and not kiwi. . I doubt this is accurate but I see no public contradiction. Because nz media wouldn’t publish it. The fact is every Maori I know, thinks that thinking is stupid and we know it isn’t true. We have no records ti even show that so how would anyone know? Fa’afafine is being appropriated to try and claim it was throughout our cultures pre colonisation, and they are also misrepresenting Samoan culture by claiming Fa’afafine are the same as modern transgenderism. Which is not true. Nobody in Samoan culture thinks you can change sex. Everyone in Polynesia is well aware of how babies are made and that sex is binary.

Giggorata · 26/03/2023 09:04

To get back to the title of the thread:

KJK, you are an inspiration. 💐 Adult human female exemplar.
To hell with the defamers, the detractors and the derailers.
Women all over the world know what you are about, and we won't wheesht.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 09:04

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:01

Interested to hear your viewpoint as wahine(?) Māori, as I saw the interview with Marama Davidson being massively pro-TRA and saying te ao Māori is ‘far less boring than just binary’, and I figure if tangata whenua are against this, we have a losing battle on our hands

Nobody I know, in my whanau, Iwi or friend group, have any respect for Marama. She has no political weight either. She’s not a Maori representative for most of us and we know her nonsense about multiple genders before the white man is total crap. She is the voice MSM are amplifying, that’s all.

Ka pai.

Very interesting, thank you Smile

Whaeanui · 26/03/2023 09:01

Interested to hear your viewpoint as wahine(?) Māori, as I saw the interview with Marama Davidson being massively pro-TRA and saying te ao Māori is ‘far less boring than just binary’, and I figure if tangata whenua are against this, we have a losing battle on our hands

Nobody I know, in my whanau, Iwi or friend group, have any respect for Marama. She has no political weight either. She’s not a Maori representative for most of us and we know her nonsense about multiple genders before the white man is total crap. She is the voice MSM are amplifying, that’s all.

TheWayOfTheWorld · 26/03/2023 08:59

This TRA is getting his arse handed to him on LinkedIn - comments are glorious

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brian-cox-0b340b8worst-place-posie-parker-leaves-nz-after-activity-7045596954566787072-grvL?utmmsource=share&utmmedium=memberrios

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 08:58

We’re not all ‘weird’, thanks @TheaBrandt Confused

TheaBrandt · 26/03/2023 08:56

What narrative had those crowds been fed? They were so angry and mental they obviously had not understood the matter at hand and had been whipped up. The few sane GC ones were nice normal women. The whole think was frightening- the spectator article was spot on

Posie is amazing I bet she will be so relieved to get back to the saintly of Wiltshire (am here too). Always knew NZ ers were abit weird a few members of my extended family have emigrated there and they were all odd.. one daughter was normal she moved back to England

Bovril2000 · 26/03/2023 08:55

Ah, she's a legend! So brave.

TiedUpWithABlackVelvetBand · 26/03/2023 08:51

*derailing (I thought I fixed that typo).

Thedarkestblue · 26/03/2023 08:51

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/03/2023 07:49

Yes. In this clip. The news reporting is incredibly biased.

What appallingly biased reporting. No wonder NZ is captured if that is the Putinesque level of biased, propagandarising media they have. They never interviewed one of KJK’s supporters.

The BBC is not perfect but it does stand as a buffer against a totally politicized and polarized media. They have really imporived their coverage of this issue from where it was.

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