Kellie-Jay Queen

Elaine Miller protesting at Holyrood was absolutely magnificant.

"If she genuinely wanted a conversation, there are plenty of ways to go about it. 100 percent bs she wanted to speak and let others speak. She wanted chaos. She wanted headlines. She phones ahead asking for police protection knowing full well she would be rarking up vulnerable communities."

If she asked for police protection, that's maybe because she knows how aggressive the other side can be?

And how could she have this conversation without people accusing her of, "attacking vulnerable communities" as you have done?

It isn't like you could be more gentle about it, and you would have a perfectly polite discussion. No, you say the slightest thing, and you will have a mob that wants to shut you down.

"She chooses a very open and public space."

Which would be normal for an event like this? What's wrong with holding a speaking event in a public space?

Anyway, even if it's only a small issue in New Zealand, (any polling evidence that protecting single sex spaces isn't seen as important?), that hardly means you shouldn't campaign over it if you wish.

What these rabid TRAs don't get is that even tho the NZ press is propagandising its arse off to discredit her, many in the UK will be lining up to hear all about it from Posie herself.

She will be speaking, loud and clear.

About the issue generally and this trip specifically. More than ever.

Germaine Greer being interviewed 7 years ago about her trans views:

@Whaeanui I do enjoy reading your posts.

A pp mentioned the natural disasters that NZ has suffered, that KJK was a distraction. Well, it's great that the tras took the time from helping with those to beat and terrorise one tiny English woman and a bunch of their fellow country women. Tras have weird priorities. No one forced them to be there, especially if there was other, more important stuff to do.

I know Elaine Miller was mentioned upthread. But I'd like to mention her, and her merkin. The work she does on women's rights, the work she does on women's health, her humour, her compassion.

She was. One of the very few up sides to this mess are the exceptional females who have stood up for women and girls with the courage to take all the crap that has been poured at them from all directions, and to still speak truth and sense.

Magdalen chatting with Posie

She really was amazing also.

We all should be so grateful to her. She's a fighter and also a fantastic, intelligent, brave and well spoken woman

Also Prof Clara Greed on toilet provision for women- speaking here at a WPUK event:

I’lll nominate Magdalen Berns as a Queen.

I haven’t lived in NZ Whaeanui and am not trying to underplay its problems but because some posters were saying that NZ is backward, I am just saying that we also have problems here in the UK and there isn’t any room for complacency.

No country in the world has achieved actual equality between the sexes so all countries are ‘backward’ on several measures of women’s rights.
https://www.weforum.org/reports/global-gender-gap-report-2022/digest/

The sporting world in the UK does support men who are by any reasonable standards abusers of women- I’m not a big follower of football so there may be better examples but the footballer Ched Evans was accused of rape, convicted but the overturned on appeal and details of what happened on the relevant night and how the case went are here. Evans continues to enjoy a professional career and has played football for Wales internationally 13 times.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R_v_Evans_and_McDonald

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/14/footballer-ched-evans-cleared-of-in-retrial more context on the retrial here with quotes from women’s groups about how his initial conviction was then quashed after the sexual history of the woman was brought up in court by witnesses- around whom question marks of coaching and financial inducement were raised.

Germaine Greer! A good little video I found, how I love to hear her speak

@waterlego you’re welcome!

@Whaeanui Thank you so much for sharing the info on Eva Richard and Dame Whina Cooper. I had never heard of either woman and am so glad to learn about them and what they’ve both achieved.

This Queen needs no introduction!

That was a bloke.

There were riots when the first women students started at Cambridge university…

Queens like posie

If KJK was campaigning for Lesbian Rights specifically, she may have been at the event yesterday. Also surrounded by men protecting their right to meet in a room without them.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4771088-lesbian-project-meeting-protested-by-men

KJK is amazing and so brave. She ripped off the bandage and showed the world the festering wound of misogyny. I wish I had her courage.

This!

Can anyone on here saying NZ is ‘backward’ please look at the UK.

I’ve lived in both countries. We know the uk problems obviously. NZ has the highest rate of domestic violence in the world and their men’s rugby team have at least 2 abusers in it who got off without conviction for beating women. They get applauded every Saturday at the moment in super rugby. NZ definitely has deeper problems than the UK

If, say, KJK set herself out as either a campaigner for lesbian rights

Well then she’s not relevant to many women who appreciate her campaigning as it is

I do want someone to speak for women not just a percentage of

Let’s just try to remain on topic to the thread! I must not respond to the derailers! Keep posting Queens like Posie 👍🏾