Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

Well obviously non of you have thought of anything effective yet given the long list of problems you have listed!

focus on our meth problem, growing gang violence, and staggering domestic abuse rates. I work in family law and we are absolutely overrun with cases involving poverty, abuse, violence, drug use and crime against women

All problems perpetrated by MEN! Go ask the men to fix all their own shit!

If you / Posie want to help Kiwi women, focus on our meth problem, growing gang violence, and staggering domestic abuse rates. I work in family law and we are absolutely overrun with cases involving poverty, abuse, violence, drug use and crime against women

any women taking the mic at one of let women speak events can talk about any of these issues.

The better KJK is at her job the quicker she will make herself redundant.

I wish her well in her future career and hope that she is unemployed very soon because that means that we have our rights and safeguarding back.

kiwi women

who has attracted support from white supremacists

No she hasn’t. Did you miss them saying they don’t support her? Publicly. Because white suprematists don’t tend to give a fuck about women’s rights. But you know that.

Just because you don’t feel silenced you think you can just dismiss all the kiwi winds who do?

That is where the focus for women should be

Stop telling other women what they should do. Women are quite good at caring about multiple things at once. You also don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, do you. It’s an event for women, plural, to speak. Not just Posie. Many kiwi women were stopped from speaking at this event. They wanted to go to this event. Who are you to tell them when and how to speak, or who with? Bossy boots

It is. Look at the disgusting and homophobic intimidation of women meeting for the lesbian project tonight.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4771088-lesbian-project-meeting-protested-by-men

it's quite mind blowing that in 2023 men are yelling at lesbians because they object to their same-sex attraction, and all in the name of progression.

I don't think some people understand how these things work.

KJK posted on here once upon a time, she happened to push forward and others backed her. I don't resent her future career once this fight is won she earned it.

Marketing nowadays works like this roughly, there us a problem, someone offers a solution, to fund their salary they sell merchandise, they have meet and greets.

We all want problem solved. KJK never claimed to be the only way we solve the problem, she offers one part of the solution. You don't like KJK , I suggest you do your own problem solving and quit sending the mob after her.

I think the only way to get rid of this pernicious ideology is for women across the world to unite and speak as one. That includes understanding that the struggle for women in one western country is allied with all others. None of our countries invented this nonsense but it's the same across the world.

Great. You go ahead and do those things then. When you do, I will support you.

At the moment, KJK is putting herself on the line for women's and children's rights and I am supporting her.

oh dear.

One woman gives a microphone to the hordes of women who show up and want to speak. and they are, to a woman, bloody grateful that she did.

You on the other hand, want her to stop.

It's you who is silencing these women. .

Women across the world wanted to hear what the NZ women have to say, they wanted her to visit.

Lots of social media influencers have meets like this, they also sell merch, it's a business model. Instead of being interested in make-up, queues fir a SheIn pop up shop, Mrs Hinch and her latest fabric conditioner in a Spring Sent, Kardashians latest product or Taylor Swifts latest song, they want to participate in an event with a social commentator who has an interest in women and children's safeguarding.

Nope

no clue

I would say there are far more effective ways of raising your voice and being heard than a soapbox in Albert Park with a known controversial speaker who has attracted support from white supremacists (whether Posie endorses that or not) and our version of the fundamentalist religious right aka Brian Tamaki & co.

must be tolerated and chasing people off threads is not allowed.

Still trying to work out what this means. Anybody got a clue?

That's why she was there, with an amp for NZ women to speak with their own voices.

This story is just about to be featured on GB News.

Victim blaming much?

What about the women who turned out to speak? Should they have stayed home and sat in silence too? What about the women who asked KJK to come? Their voices don't matter?

She didn't need to platform anyone. They are more than capable of holding their own events, of platforming themselves. Likely it would have gone ahead peacefully without her. Once people saw nazi salutes in Melbourne it was game over really. Like it or not, she has become a flashpoint and her presence was a detriment to the message. She shouldn't have come.

We have our own speakers, thanks, and are more than capable of using our own voices.

Those were your own voices.

Who the hell do you think she was platforming there? She didn't take up a bunch of women from the UK with her!

The men screaming and shouting, punching, kicking, spitting and pouring cans of liquid, are doing it on 'your women'.

I IS their voices which are being silenced.

Can’t you focus on your own domestic issues you list?

Let women choose their own paths, if it’s not for you do your own campaigning.

Other women feel differently to you and wanted to join in.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about @Skydaze . Have some respect.

This is so weird to read about. I'm in NZ, I'm a woman (born, if you really must know) and I don't feel at all silenced. Kiwi women speak all the damn time and we're proud of it. Just because you disagree with what happened yesterday (and I condemn any violence to either group), does not mean women here are silenced and terrified. We're not.

If you / Posie want to help Kiwi women, focus on our meth problem, growing gang violence, and staggering domestic abuse rates. I work in family law and we are absolutely overrun with cases involving poverty, abuse, violence, drug use and crime against women. That is where the focus for women should be. The trans issue - it's smalltime pony tricks compared to where the rapes and assaults are actually happening.

Also - seriously - what is with the evangelical crusades in the name of "free speech" sending every minor celebrity activist to our shores to "educate" us (ie speak for us)? We have our own speakers, thanks, and are more than capable of using our own voices.

It's dark before the dawn
Despairing of the night
But women, we stay strong
The sun is going to rise

They come with words and weapons
Their fists are going to fly
But women won't be beaten
The sun is going to rise

And on that blessed morning
We'll stand strong and wise
Arms around our children
The sun is going to rise

Take heart, my fearless sisters
Keep watch with hopeful eyes
They're never going to beat us
The sun will always rise