Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

That is a brilliant photo

Wonderful tweet...then...I scrolled down..I can't ever get that image out of my head now.

Shudders.

Sorry wrong link.
This is a woman:

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1639762431370047488?t=RKyMKXTIfSDTkk1LApxrtw&s=19

This is a woman.

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1639536949613694977?t=ci6jkRPUVmBdGwcMu-MjMQ&s=19

'New Zealand is a terrifying country for women and children.'
As per my username, I used to live in NZ but came back to the UK over 10 years ago. When I left there was none of this genderwoo stuff being discussed and John Key was the Prime Minister.
It definitely is a great cause of concern going forward if even the NZ National Party (UK Conservative equivalent)has embraced the gender woo.
I don't think I fancy living there right now. shocking how quickly the genderwoo has taken hold across the democratic western countries.

Just a little reminder about community disrupters and how much they’d love to get threads like these pulled.

And #istandwithPosieParker appears to be trending on Twitter.

It's chilling how much the violence has escalated. I think it was smart for Posie to go home (terrifying what could have happened) considering she got threats at her hotel.

I'm hoping that future Let Women Speak events will have some kind of enclosed secure space where tickets are free, but only women, children and hired security are allowed in. It's getting too dangerous for the women on the ground. How many women won't show up next time?

The GC women I know in NZ were glad that KJK had raised the issue and got our concerns more into the public eye. And its a bonus in a way that the TRA/MRA crowd showed themselves for what they are. Although awful for KJK and the other women there to have to experience.

If the Chilling Effect doesn't concern you, I don't know what can. Freedom of speech and thought is fundamental to every other right, for every other group. Seeing it effectively stripped from women for trying to talk about what we fundamentally are is terrifying.

@Skydaze

You seem to think you are the only New Zealander who has the right to an opinion.

What is it about this that brings out the racists. Jfc All those Maori and Polynesian due to speak, all those crying after this violence… and they’re ‘colonial’ because they don’t just restrict their protests to locally organised ones. Nobody said this is the only fucking thing going.

Sure it is. Just like calling me "bossy" could be seen as misogynistic. And calling an alternate NZ specific view on a local event "rude" or "disrespectful" could be seen as silencing a woman, and the mild verbal abuse in response is hardly respecting women speaking 'even when you disagree' like you say you do. I am a woman in NZ, I have the view that trans issues are by no means the biggest threat to women's rights or wellbeing in this country, and quite frankly women here are speaking all the time so if you're not hearing it without an event headlining a foreigner (very colonial, that) then that's your issue. I am GC but find the drama online to be out of step with reality on the ground. That's it. l'll leave you all to your day now.

These are the boys she will share far more public space with than bathrooms with the occasional transwoman. These are the men most likely to assault or kill her.

And when those boys decide that it's easier to get her alone in a toilet stall in the ladies? so they say they are female to get her alone and vunerable? And don't say they wouldn't, transwomen, or men pretending to be women do it all over the world to get to women, why would new Zealand be any different?

As you can campaign for your laundry list of social problems and find solutions. You can pick what brand of fabric conditioner you want and which sent as can we as we do over our social issues.

Mrs Hinch and her following don't demand we all buy her latest spring scent, they can meet her, get a signed copy of her book hinch farm and there are no counter protests from people who hate cleaning or hate her spring sent, those people are off doing their own thing.

Women wanted to speak on NZ and we wanted to hear what they had to say, the events caused media and public awareness, the opposite of the advice Dentons. The more the public are aware the quicker this ideology is crushed and a return to safeguarding and our rights. Either you don't know how these things work or you are trying to stop it happening.

Ooh frothing....FULL HOUSE on my bingo card.

A lot of the above incidentally, plus more, was what the women would have LIKED to have talked about having been given a platform to speak. To share lived experience.

Men and their handmaidens screamed and spat 'no'.

I won't go into how I feel as a homosexual female about being told I'm 'frothing' about being excluded from LGB resources, harassed and bullied and pushed towards providing straight sex to men who feel entitled to it (while at the same time expressing hatred for women with saggy tits/smelly gashes yada yada, the incel logic is quite staggering)

Or that it's 'frothing' to care about women staying in life threatening relationships because they're excluded from refuges which are full of men who refuse to tolerate some women not being able to access mixed sex spaces. And the women who are now afraid to go for health care because they may encounter a requirement to pretend a male is a woman and submit to a situation they consented only if a female is involved, and the women who cannot go to the loo in their workplace, or go swimming because male desires were put ahead of actual inclusion and equality of access and consideration.

Or the death threats, rape threats, that women reporting hate crimes committed by special members of a particular group are all hand waved away by the police, but women are arrested for and can lose their job for stating biological fact.

'Froth'.

YMMV. To put it mildly.

@Skydaze I just think it’s fucking rude to jump on a thread about a women’s event that resulted in the organiser and other women being assaulted and harassed, and then give s list of what you think they should be doing instead. It’s also misogynistic.

Ah, frothing!

Thanks for the advice 😃

You are very very welcome to focus on what you see as the priority for women. And other women will identify their own priorities.

All I'm saying is frothing about TRAs and the threat to your children seems overblown given the sheer scale of the other problems that WILL affect you and yours. It's not the TRAs that make me scared for DD, it's the boys growing up around her in homes where violence, sexual assault, coercion, abuse, trauma, gangs and meth are commonplace. These are the boys she will share far more public space with than bathrooms with the occasional transwoman. These are the men most likely to assault or kill her. If we're worried about women's rights - THIS is the freaking iceberg that sank the titanic.

If you / Posie want to help Kiwi women, focus on our meth problem, growing gang violence, and staggering domestic abuse rates. I work in family law and we are absolutely overrun with cases involving poverty, abuse, violence, drug use and crime against women. That is where the focus for women should be

Actually isn't that where the interests of the ruling Labour Party should be?

The so-called left has found that following the transgender agenda is a cheap way of looking good, rather than dealing with the social ills the left wing is supposed to care about.

If these activists were any good they would solve the social problems, the same goes for politicians and charities, they don't and it's for the same reason you need to keep buying a whole new phone, not take it in for an occasional upgrade.