Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

I heard about Rabbit Proof Fence a while back, a tragic story. What an utterly shitty thing to do to people. Canada too, I heard a lot about that in the ex-boarders group I'm in.

Also seen several videos about the old methods of burning small fires to prevent larger ones and it looks fascinating. Whilst Australia is a completely different environment to the UK, I work in woodland and this sort of stuff interests me greatly.

We were just talking about the rabbit fence the other day (I'm on an Aussie ship) but it was from a farmer's perspective. I've read about the stolen generation, a similar thing happened in Canada.

I remember reading about Aboriginal fire clearing in National Geographic, back in the 90s - they had some white Aussie land management people, who wanted to pay Aboriginal people to do their thing, to keep massive bush fires at bay.

I guess that one didn't work out.

@SinnerBoy thank you very much, I know a little bit but I’m familiar with the struggle they have had there. I don’t know if you’ve seen or read Rabbit Proof Fence, it’s heart wrenching, it really is. I looked up some YouTube interviews with people who don’t know where they come from because of the stolen generation of aboriginal Australians. They’re hard to watch but they deserve to be heard and I think people in Britain should learn about them and what Britain did, as part of school here. Aside from the pain and devastation to them and their communities, ignoring them and their extensive knowledge of the environment has affected all Australians. Their knowledge and skill at managing the lands, to protect from out of control fires as an example, can’t be matched and not including them over the decades has caused irreparable damage to Australia’s flora and fauna. Their medicinal knowledge interested me the most when I was younger. Reading those links, it is such a common story but no less awful.

@Whaeanui

I just read this, you may well know about it, I thought that you might find a parallel, with some of the things you've told us.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/series/voices-on-the-voice

Apologies. I feel terrible for doing that tho you. Let me make amends. I will go and indulge in some self-flagellation.

As penance of course!

No other reason!

I had to go and lie down in a darkened room after such graphic horror.

But we say mean words like men can't be women. So much literal violence there. I'm sorry I've subjected your eyes to my words!

Please forgive me

Violence to either group? There's only ever been one violent group here and it's most assuredly not LWS.

And goodness! That Eli the soup chucker, what absolute whine fest his thread is, full of propaganda and lies from his supporters.

One of them claimed that some TW protected a club from bikers, so why didn't they attack Tamaki and his lot?

This is so weird to read about. I'm in NZ, I'm a woman (born, if you really must know) and I don't feel at all silenced. Kiwi women speak all the damn time and we're proud of it. Just because you disagree with what happened yesterday (and I condemn any violence to either group), does not mean women here are silenced and terrified. We're not.

So naive. Open your ears and eyes. You aren't silenced and terrified because you're not yet guilty of wrong think. Just those other women, right? And who cares, because they're wrong? Censorship is no problem when you didn't want to say it anyway. Condone it at your peril, because you're a fool if you think you'll never end up on the 'wrong' side of the line with people like that.

I'd say that when your explicit goal is to use violence and the threat of violence to terrify people in order to prevent them from freely and publicly expressing opinions and freely organising around a political issue, you're veering very close to what could in all earnest be described as terrorism.

Perhaps the scale of the violence and the level of organisation isn't quite terrorism yet, but they are escalating. And make no mistake, frightening people out of speaking up is the goal. Loads of them proudly state this. And you'd have to admit that they have achieved that goal to some extent.

Terror will only get you so far, though. It's not sustainable.

Especially for pp who claimed Brian Tamaki was at or joined Posies event, false. He asked, she turned him down Posie turned down Brian Tamaki request

It's at about 5.40 mins

Interestingly, I started a thread with a youtube vid of press conference with NZ PM about Aukland (got lost in the many threads I think)

Early on, on the soup question, Hipkins said something about 'not a brick/or a brick' or something.

I'm also thinking about regular poster Musky's now deleted comment about 'it should have been a brick'.

I'm thinking, that this link to the stonewall riot and the 'first brick', must be part of the TRA narrative and the 'fight against terfs'

Strange that the PM would say that.

I think Sean from The Platform podcast (who has the call in with the NZ women you posted Whaeanui) asks a question about the women- which gets utterly lost in the focus on what the Green MP said about cis white males, and questions about what the government will continue to do for the trans
community.
Link to press conference (the brick comment is near the start i think):

Yeah they change ministers a lot there. The health minister that was there at start of covid kept breaking the rules and driving places to go on bike rides and crap like that 😂 three times! Imagine what the papers would do to him here! They’ve got a minister who kept giving contracts to her family Inc husband, still there though… it starts to look a bit like we don’t know what we’re doing. Mind you I say that about uk too 😂

The Police Minister has been in post less than three weeks. There's an article stating there have been six in six years, I'm not sure if she's the sixth or the seventh.

Tova O’Brien got a lot of grief during covid for asking questions and not blindly thinking our great leader was god and made all the right decisions by default

Some good interviewing there - sticking to specifics and firsthand knowledge. Enjoyed the interviewer calling out the fact that the minister was reading out talking points rather than giving useful info 😂

looks like he's deleted his account?

Pride began with a brick!

So he’s got an arrest warrant out for him but he’s doubling down and actually justifying it and talking about bricks. Jfc

Update - the person that assaulted KJK with the tomato juice is on the run 😂

https://twitter.com/ElianaRubashkyn/status/1640672937962516480

Replying to @ LadyNightscale

“Yes they issued a warrant of arrest”

Thread starts here

https://twitter.com/ElianaRubashkyn/status/1640639580344037377

I love being a fugitive

slaaaaaaay

Pictures attached in case of deletion….

After watching that video is it me or are the people listening to the let women speak(ers) massively outnumbered by the yobs? It comes across as feeding the ducks people versus football hooligans. Which just emphasises how bullying and thuggish the MRAs looked when they broke through.

Simon Anderson, the guy who published the drone footage on Twitter: ❤

"I have published all of the material I captured to the following Youtube playlist under a Creative Commons licence. No-one needs my permission to use any of it, though I would appreciate an attribution and would love a link to derivative works."

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1640151138648600577

YouTube playlist:
"Let Women Speak Tour. Albert Park, Auckland. 25/iii/2023"
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGgXu42XHnjMTvEb56kUjHuMatEPxrXd4

Beasts attacking those women!! 😡