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Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 07:53

Let’s move the general discussion about the New Zealand ‘Let Women Speak’ tour out of the thread set up to centre the women speaking at the Australian and New Zealand tours.

This was the live feed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

The event was over run by violent trans activists. Not only did they use the usual intimidation tactics, but also threw substances at Kellie Jay, the women and the security.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

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FOJN · 25/03/2023 09:29

I would condemn and abhor violence against trans people.

So would I. I do not wish violence or harm to people I disagree with.

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:29

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:23

I would expect that an alternative site could be found in Wellington surely?

Or has Kellie Jay been told by the New Zealand police that they ‘cannot’ protect her and advised her to leave after the threats to her at the hotel?

Today was a grave indication of the state of policing in New Zealand.

It's clearly a country of extremists.

She needs to get home safe to her family.

Hopefully the light being shone elsewhere will help NZ but it's not safe for them to speak at this time. They have a government and press actively working against them.

They have lost their rights, the are not equal citizens.

They have a long battle ahead and I am desparate for them to succeed.

If not, I hope they can get the fuck out of there.

The hatred for women is off the scale.

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 09:27

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:12

For someone who is posting on a feminist thread, your posts are a record of your own hypocrisy.

Own it.

Either start to post with an intention to engage with some kind of contribution that is not merely reflecting derision, or yes, posters will report you for consistently failing to follow the ‘in the spirit’ talk guidelines. That is their freedom to do so.

What I don’t want is to see posters deleted because of troll hunting. But you can interpret my post in anyway you wish. It is a free world and people are completely free to recognise misogynistic posts when they it is in front of them.

My contribution has always been clear and unwavering - because I’m old enough to have seen what happens when darkness grips the hearts and minds of people who should know better.

Hate is insidious because it is so seductive. It corrupts everything it touches.

Abhannmor · 25/03/2023 09:27

The police are like a cowardly teacher who takes the side of the school bullies.

I hope they review this awful footage with deep shame.

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:26

I would condemn and abhor violence against trans people.

Its a shame that it is not reciprocated.

If you support what happened in NZ then quite frankly you are a disgusting human being.

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 09:25

She has apparently checked in for a London flight from Auckland, @Lockheart. Source here (disclaimer: I have no idea what type of news outlet this is): https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839091/antitrans-activist-posie-parker-leaves-country-after-chaotic-auckland-rally

Sydney Morning Herald also reporting her departure: https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/anti-trans-campaigner-escorted-from-angry-crowd-covered-in-soup-20230325-p5cv6l.html

I really hope she is safe at the airport and on the flight. I've done the horrendous NZ-UK flight a few times - it's bad enough as it is, without fears for one's safety added in.

Anti-trans activist Posie Parker leaves country after chaotic Auckland rally

Controversial activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, also known as Posie Parker, has checked in for a flight leaving New Zealand this evening.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839091/antitrans-activist-posie-parker-leaves-country-after-chaotic-auckland-rally

EsmaCannonball · 25/03/2023 09:25

It's increasingly clear that men who are transactivists and gender ideologues are in fact more of a threat to women than other men. The sacred caste element of trans status, the entryism into feminism and women's organisations, the unlimited access into women's physical spaces is attracting the worst, most repellent, women-hating men, and they love that they get to unleash all their sexually-motivated hatred onto any woman who objects to all this with the full support of most politicians, journalists and public organisations. Transactivist = 🚩

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:23

I would expect that an alternative site could be found in Wellington surely?

Or has Kellie Jay been told by the New Zealand police that they ‘cannot’ protect her and advised her to leave after the threats to her at the hotel?

Today was a grave indication of the state of policing in New Zealand.

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RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 25/03/2023 09:23

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 08:23

If the racist poster from the other thread follows me here to mock my language here too, could we all just literally ignore them please? The last one was particularly gross.

Will do

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:22

Posted this elsewhere before i saw this thread, so I'll post it here as well

To the posters who have spent the god knows how many threads on KJK slagging her off, accusing her of being aligned with people she isn't. Of womaning wrong and then have the fucking audacity to come on here to gloat and victim blame the women who were assaulted yesterday by Trans Rights Activists thugs just for wanting to talk:

You are the ones who are aligned with the wrong people

You are the ones with the vile views

You are, using your logic, directly responsible for the assault of women yesterday

I how you're fucking proud of yourselves.

I am disgusted at your words on here overnight and this morning.

Lockheart · 25/03/2023 09:19

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:18

I have no idea who Mosely Parker is.

If you have evidence that the Wellington event is cancelled, please provide it.

I haven't actually seen anything official but on the other thread a different poster said TRAs have been posting flight details about the plane leaving Auckland tonight - although whether it's just a rumour I have no idea.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:18

I’m still checking in to see if the woman from the Mana Wahine group who was doxxed has left her home safely. If anyone else knows? They were going to get her earlier. This is just awful

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:18

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I have no idea who Mosely Parker is.

If you have evidence that the Wellington event is cancelled, please provide it.

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Birdsweepsin · 25/03/2023 09:16

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:07

Not seen our msm reporting but some NZ media are reporting that a known Christian protestor who is often in trouble is the one responsible for todays violence and counter protest- this despite nz herald journo actually tweeting their organised counter protest and taking responsibility for stopping her!

The truth is long gone...

raspberrywine · 25/03/2023 09:16

I reported Land on the other thread snd just about to report on this thread.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:15

Don’t engage with them. They’re not worth it.

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 09:14

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Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:14

Now this poster is making completely disrespectful comments about my whanau I have reported them. Please don’t engage with someone who does this. I speak Te Reo Maori- minus the macrons because that’s not how my grandmother learnt it at Parihaka where she was raised. This person has insulted my mother and grandmother and implied they didn’t raise me properly. What a disgrace of a person. Also bear in mind, even if I didn’t speak it, it was once banned and my grandmothers generation was beaten for speaking it so any Maori with this knowledge would never weaponise their own knowledge of Te Reo to shame other Maori. This person is pakeha. That’s why they used Maori mythology to mock me. That’s why they used our language to insult another poster they knew wouldn’t understand it. You can see Jermaine Clement cry about how his grandmother was beaten for speaking Te Reo and that’s why he didn’t learn it. It’s a painful thing for Maori so bear that in mind when you read this persons disgraceful comments.

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:12

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For someone who is posting on a feminist thread, your posts are a record of your own hypocrisy.

Own it.

Either start to post with an intention to engage with some kind of contribution that is not merely reflecting derision, or yes, posters will report you for consistently failing to follow the ‘in the spirit’ talk guidelines. That is their freedom to do so.

What I don’t want is to see posters deleted because of troll hunting. But you can interpret my post in anyway you wish. It is a free world and people are completely free to recognise misogynistic posts when they it is in front of them.

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Faffertea · 25/03/2023 09:09

This is what happens when you dehumanise people. When you give them names that literally call them shits. When media inflame the rhetoric.

This is what Mishy, land and all the other TRAs here need to own. This is what your side does. Violence and intimidation of women who dare to speak out. Next time someone says ‘we need to take the heat out of this debate’ ‘both sides have done wrong’ No. No one from a GC point of view has ever done this.

My only hope in this is that people see the truth now. They see the violence, the hatred and authoritarianism. And it only comes from one side.

@Whaeanui
We are with you. They can get to fuck.

FOJN · 25/03/2023 09:09

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I have reported you. You are clearly attempting to mock and goad a Maori poster using her own language. Racist, bullying and sickening.

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 09:08

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Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:07

Not seen our msm reporting but some NZ media are reporting that a known Christian protestor who is often in trouble is the one responsible for todays violence and counter protest- this despite nz herald journo actually tweeting their organised counter protest and taking responsibility for stopping her!