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Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 07:53

Let’s move the general discussion about the New Zealand ‘Let Women Speak’ tour out of the thread set up to centre the women speaking at the Australian and New Zealand tours.

This was the live feed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

The event was over run by violent trans activists. Not only did they use the usual intimidation tactics, but also threw substances at Kellie Jay, the women and the security.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

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SallyLockheart · 25/03/2023 09:45

nilsmousehammer · 25/03/2023 09:40

This tour has worked miracles in showing to the world, across the world's press, that whatever country you are in, that this political lobby about the 'oh so vulnerable' are in fact women-loathing, misogynist, violent thugs who will do, say and use anything without the faintest grip on morals, respect for others or even basic social skills, if it might make female people subordinate to them.

Bravo Kellie, you've played a blinder. Eyes opening world wide, and oh boy is it an ugly sight. And all you needed to do was present a mic and invite women to speak: those of the anti woman mindset cannot help themselves in ripping off the mask and showing who they are.

absolutely. Spot on comment there @nilsmousehammer . I dip in and out on the comments and controversies over Kellie but her courage for engaging on this tour is to be applauded. She knew that this was the likely outcome and would present a threat to her personally but wanted this moment to prove to the world that women's voices are being silenced

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:45

I fear that women in NZ will only get rights back when white males who say they are males realise that white males who say they are not males are actually more powerful than them.

Clymene · 25/03/2023 09:44

I hope she has come home. It's a miracle yesterday that no women were killed. I've just watched the video of her being escorted out by amazing security and they would have killed her if they'd been able. It's very clear. They were an angry mob, baying for a fight.

New Zealand is a terrifying country for women and children.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:44

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He got sexually aroused by her assault? And people wonder why we don't want men in our spaces?.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 09:42

For those asking about Wellington and the other women carrying it on without her, it’s been made clear they’ll protest loudly if she’s there or not- they also protested Meghan Murphy but that event was held in parliament buildings so was somewhat protected. This was an outdoor event so that’s the safety issue. I know some very seasoned and strong kiwi women who have been to many protests, they’re very scared right now and none want to go to the Wellington event. Peoples lives are being ruined, being doxxed has real life consequences.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:42

if she's had to come home them how long before our usual "she's conning you it's a money grab" posters turn up to claim she never booked any hotels after this stop, she personally invited the bullies to turn up so she cut her tour short and fleece all us women?

And if they are reading and considering it, a piece of advice...don't fucking bother.

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:41

Lockheart · 25/03/2023 09:32

Ah thank you.

I think the concern was more people turning up at the airport, I think she'll be fine once she's through security. You can't get an unscheduled mob onto a plane nowadays thankfully.

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However, since she has already been supposedly photographed inside the airport, at this stage I don’t think I would feel safe in her shoes until I got home.

Maybe not even then.

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nilsmousehammer · 25/03/2023 09:40

This tour has worked miracles in showing to the world, across the world's press, that whatever country you are in, that this political lobby about the 'oh so vulnerable' are in fact women-loathing, misogynist, violent thugs who will do, say and use anything without the faintest grip on morals, respect for others or even basic social skills, if it might make female people subordinate to them.

Bravo Kellie, you've played a blinder. Eyes opening world wide, and oh boy is it an ugly sight. And all you needed to do was present a mic and invite women to speak: those of the anti woman mindset cannot help themselves in ripping off the mask and showing who they are.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 25/03/2023 09:40

Nasty piece of work that starlight….

he obviously doesn’t subscribe to be kind

twitterexile · 25/03/2023 09:39

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:22

Posted this elsewhere before i saw this thread, so I'll post it here as well

To the posters who have spent the god knows how many threads on KJK slagging her off, accusing her of being aligned with people she isn't. Of womaning wrong and then have the fucking audacity to come on here to gloat and victim blame the women who were assaulted yesterday by Trans Rights Activists thugs just for wanting to talk:

You are the ones who are aligned with the wrong people

You are the ones with the vile views

You are, using your logic, directly responsible for the assault of women yesterday

I how you're fucking proud of yourselves.

I am disgusted at your words on here overnight and this morning.

100% this. Shameful.

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 09:39

@Lockheart, yes, true ofc that a mob can't get on a plane, but a fellow passenger might be a threat too. Am not meaning to scaremonger; just really want to see her home safe and sound.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 25/03/2023 09:37

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:37

If Kellie Jay has left, does that then mean because she has gone that the protestors will leave the Wellington event alone.

Because otherwise they really have shown the world that in New Zealand, women cannot speak words that some people disagree with.

Have the politicians and media understood that?

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Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:36

landOFconfusion · 25/03/2023 09:27

My contribution has always been clear and unwavering - because I’m old enough to have seen what happens when darkness grips the hearts and minds of people who should know better.

Hate is insidious because it is so seductive. It corrupts everything it touches.

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Hate is insidious because it is so seductive. It corrupts everything it touches

yes it is and your posts over the last few hours and overnight have been a shining example of this

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 09:36

I hadn't heard about the doxxed women. Jesus, this is awful. Hope they are safe.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 09:35

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:34

This is it, when something happens to a trans person most of the posters here are quick to condemn the person who committed the crime.

Here though we have women (?!? Hmmm?) Actively celebrating the assault of women and blaming the victims for it.

The levels to which some posters will stoop never cease to amaze me.

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A culture that prefers male violence to women speaking

So depressing

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 09:35

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:29

It's clearly a country of extremists.

She needs to get home safe to her family.

Hopefully the light being shone elsewhere will help NZ but it's not safe for them to speak at this time. They have a government and press actively working against them.

They have lost their rights, the are not equal citizens.

They have a long battle ahead and I am desparate for them to succeed.

If not, I hope they can get the fuck out of there.

The hatred for women is off the scale.

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I support Kellie Jay’s decision either way. If she has left for her own safety due to threats, or if she chose to ignore the threats and continue with assurance that the police will provide a protective barrier in Wellington.

I would also support women in Wellington organising an alternative site or venue and continuing if that were possible. I realise though, with the reports of doxxed women not being able to go home and threats under hotel doors is an indication that these extremists cannot respect any boundaries and that this means no alternative site could be kept safe.

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ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 09:34

Women hatred is ugly, and obvious.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:34

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:26

I would condemn and abhor violence against trans people.

Its a shame that it is not reciprocated.

If you support what happened in NZ then quite frankly you are a disgusting human being.

This is it, when something happens to a trans person most of the posters here are quick to condemn the person who committed the crime.

Here though we have women (?!? Hmmm?) Actively celebrating the assault of women and blaming the victims for it.

The levels to which some posters will stoop never cease to amaze me.

Lockheart · 25/03/2023 09:32

zaramysaviour · 25/03/2023 09:25

She has apparently checked in for a London flight from Auckland, @Lockheart. Source here (disclaimer: I have no idea what type of news outlet this is): https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839091/antitrans-activist-posie-parker-leaves-country-after-chaotic-auckland-rally

Sydney Morning Herald also reporting her departure: https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/anti-trans-campaigner-escorted-from-angry-crowd-covered-in-soup-20230325-p5cv6l.html

I really hope she is safe at the airport and on the flight. I've done the horrendous NZ-UK flight a few times - it's bad enough as it is, without fears for one's safety added in.

Ah thank you.

I think the concern was more people turning up at the airport, I think she'll be fine once she's through security. You can't get an unscheduled mob onto a plane nowadays thankfully.

MarshaBradyo · 25/03/2023 09:32

lifeturnsonadime · 25/03/2023 09:30

Hate is insidious because it is so seductive. It corrupts everything it touches.

Isn't it just.

The hatred shown towards women in New Zealand is shocking to the core.

yes It’s shocking

People supporting it are abhorrent

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 25/03/2023 09:31

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 08:55

MNHQ also mentioned on a thread lately that we should report posters who we have concerns about.

absolutely

especially the ones goading other posters

lifeturnsonadime · 25/03/2023 09:30

Hate is insidious because it is so seductive. It corrupts everything it touches.

Isn't it just.

The hatred shown towards women in New Zealand is shocking to the core.

Birdsweepsin · 25/03/2023 09:29

If you support what happened in NZ then quite frankly you are a disgusting human being

☝abso-bloody-lutely