Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

I was so upset last night and first thing this morning, especially dealing with a racist here to boot. But women, I have had messages from home from people, lots of men, who I’ve never discussed this with who are asking me if I know of this woman, what the hell is wrong with the media, they’ve seen footage on twitter and are disgusted… they’ve started to see the light with nz media before this- sports media are pretty awful too- so I actually feel more hopeful even though I’m so very sad and worried for the women at the event who were scared.

The reporting is utterly scummy - complete minimisation, all comments off and (and this is a personal observation only) a slight walking back of tone. During the week they appeared to be doing absolutely everything in their power to encourage and condone a violent confrontation but they are taking a slightly more measured approach tonight.

They are still not reporting accurately on the violence it’s ‘alleged ’ etc and sympathetic interviews with those who attacked Posie - trying to minimise the revolting scenes seen today.

it’s just been the most horrific terrible day. And they are so proud of themselves.

Also, why have an even called "let women speak - but not that one"? Surely the problem that KJK is highlighting is that women are being cut out for wrongthink?

Just catching up on all this from the US. 💐to NZ sisters. What a fucking shambles.

@chevvyroo I can’t stand that woman either but I don’t think it’s fair to expect Posie or anyone else to tell any woman, even her, they can’t turn up to listen. You also can’t expect foreigners to understand everything about the politics and politicians in your country. Trying to tell my Dad what a lowlife Boris is was hard, his image of him was only about covid where to him, Boris looked strong because he battled it etc etc he doesn’t understand all the things we do about our politicians.

No idea who Pauline Hanson is. The format of 'Let Women Speak' is to allow all women to speak.

1. Pauline Hanson represents Queensland in the Australian Senate. She is a person of power and influence. People who want to achieve things will want to talk to her

2. Let Women Speak are open mic events. anyone can come, even people you don't like

I hope that clears matters up for you

The standing for women events are not a ‘rally’. They are not a protest either. They are for women to gather together and speak. Anyone can turn up.

Would you steer clear of any groups who are intent on harming women and girls too?

It is - very interesting difference between the two.

The story is on the UK DM website. They are also carrying this next to it now:

That's a really good piece, and the comments, including several from Aus/NZ are overwhelmingly supportive of Kellie and women.

Hi can I ask a question?

I see the Guardian referring to the AUS leg of this tour as an "Anti Trans" rally:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/23/senator-lidia-thorpe-knocked-to-ground-in-struggle-with-police-anti-trans-rally-kellie-jay-keen-posie-parker-canberra-australia?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Can I ask, what was Pauline Hanson doing there?

I understand that anyone can turn up, hence a group of unsavoury right wingers/ neo nazis, people who genuinely hate trans people, were there in the crowds. Wouldn't PH have to have been invited though?

I have seen discussions before here, what to do when the cause you support, is also supported by political sections you are completely opposed to? I support protest to keep certain spaces for natal females but I would steer clear of a rally if I knew someone like PH would be there.

dear god twitter is a mess. i genuinely believe the world would be a better place without it

thank you for flagging this

Agreed.

I hope it also shows people who weren't aware just how captured mainstream media is on this and other subjects. They have no journalistic credibility anymore.

'Crimson Starlight' is a fake Twitter account using pictures of a Canadian transwoman and family to stir hatred and violence.

Any trans activists reading this, perhaps you'd like to let the transwoman know. It's shit that someone is using the images like this, but I know that a 'terf' trying to let this person know would not go down well.

Disinformation helps nobody and it's abhorrent to use a child in this way.

Good the term women’s rights campaigner leads

Interesting to see difference to Aus version

Just for info: That Twitter account claiming to get off on women's fear appears to be using images ripped from an article about a Canadian transwoman.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/transgender-euphoria-pov-1.5781023

Which is good, because I had had serious concerns about the child had that Twitter account been in good faith.

I hope so. Enough is enough.

It takes two seconds to deconstruct.

Interviewer: "Gosh, what is this 'trans hate'??"

Women: "Well it's women saying we are actually female and need spaces for actually female people who can't use mixed sex spaces, and who want to be homosexual. And that some reciprocation of be kind and inclusion is necessary."

Interviewer: "Er..... how exactly is that hateful?"

Women: "We're not sure, we've been able to discern any logic in the screaming, spitting and death threats."

Yes they are. What’s happened to NZ culture to enable it

The story is on the UK DM website. They are also carrying this next to it now:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11898429/I-didnt-realise-women-hated-Womens-rights-campaigner-Australia-New-Zealand.html

These are the same men who stone women to death.
They are the same men who gang rape and sexually assault.
They are the same men who kill women for not wearing hijab.

They are all the same men.

👏👏👏👏

I should imagine Janice Turner is typing all her notes out, as we speak.

And the spectator will have an absolute field day.