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Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

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Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 07:53

Let’s move the general discussion about the New Zealand ‘Let Women Speak’ tour out of the thread set up to centre the women speaking at the Australian and New Zealand tours.

This was the live feed.

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

The event was over run by violent trans activists. Not only did they use the usual intimidation tactics, but also threw substances at Kellie Jay, the women and the security.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/03/2023 12:21

I would hope that whoever punched the 70 year old woman so hard that he might have permanently damaged her eyesight might be identified or turned in by his little friends. Hope springs eternal. Or the man who made sexual gestures to a little girl.

twitter.com/awakened_mullet/status/1639574525988982784?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Pixiedust1234 · 25/03/2023 12:17

Out of interest have any arrests been made? With so many videos and photos surely they are able to identify at least on violent protester?

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 12:14

There are definitely trans people that don’t support any of this! I know some in NZ.

howmanybicycles · 25/03/2023 12:11

These guys are just violent supermacists and no-one should pretend otherwise. I'm sure there are some trans women who are not like this. Sadly, they are not currently the most vocal ones.

DialSquare · 25/03/2023 12:09

What I have found is that every time we have a very dark day in this fight, it is followed by a stronger dawning of sunlight. Take heart. We are all with you. xxx

Agree with Arabella here. This will go a long way to show the world what we have been saying about this ideology for years. I doubt many will suddenly become TRAs. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this turns a few TRAs the other way,

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 12:09

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 12:04

I struggle so much with the idea that it's better to be pure than to win

So did Nelson Mandela, that’s why he worked with the men that had kept him in prison all those years, because the fight wasn’t just about him, it was about their whole country and unifying it. Imagine if he held the belief that he couldn’t work with people who had done bad things. We would still have apartheid.

And he would have died in prison instead of as a free man that had gone on to be president of his country.

Fuck being pure.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 12:04

I struggle so much with the idea that it's better to be pure than to win

So did Nelson Mandela, that’s why he worked with the men that had kept him in prison all those years, because the fight wasn’t just about him, it was about their whole country and unifying it. Imagine if he held the belief that he couldn’t work with people who had done bad things. We would still have apartheid.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/03/2023 12:04

I struggle so much with the idea that it's better to be pure than to win

that's the mindset of people who never achieve anything

the means does not always justify the ends. but if your means are 'speaking to politicians with power and influence to try to get them to use those things to achieve your aims', then yeah, those means justify the ends

I agree.

LittleFingerStrength · 25/03/2023 12:03

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 10:39

Now is the time for the UK government to show how much they value women's rights.

As I say to media when I complain, what she’s advocating for, is the law in the UK. So NZ and its actual prime minister thinks that campaigning about existing uk laws is hateful and anti trans. Why won’t someone in the uk government respond to that?

Posie isn't going to NZ to impose anything on others, she provides a flatform for women to speak for themselves.

Our UK government and media should support behavior that promotes factually correct statements from politicians and the media internationally. A political slant I understand, outright lies on top of telling us men are women are ruining trust and truth.

Abhannmor · 25/03/2023 12:01

I had a look at a NZ new site on YouTube and wrote a fairly bland post about it. Deleted . No clue why.

I did name the site and used the word t*s iirc. Will we have to resume using code words and images 🚉. Thought that day was done ?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 25/03/2023 12:00

I struggle so much with the idea that it's better to be pure than to win

that's the mindset of people who never achieve anything

the means does not always justify the ends. but if your means are 'speaking to politicians with power and influence to try to get them to use those things to achieve your aims', then yeah, those means justify the ends

Pixiedust1234 · 25/03/2023 11:58

Abccde · 25/03/2023 09:45

I fear that women in NZ will only get rights back when white males who say they are males realise that white males who say they are not males are actually more powerful than them.

Not just in NZ. Thats the frightening thing.

FOJN · 25/03/2023 11:57

sanluca · 25/03/2023 11:48

*Ah yes, more important to be left wing than actually want to protect women's and children's rights.

I recall having a heated debate on social media with a very well known, intelligent feminist who I greatly admire and who is impressively articulate - she told me that I could not be a feminist because I am not left wing.*

The left seem to become more and more intolerant of anything that is also not left. Since when is feminism only for left minded people? What ever happened to feminism is for all women, regardless of race, age, politics or religion? So women who are not left or left enough don't deserve sex based rights? No wonder most women don't call themselves feminists...

Left wing feminists are guilty of exactly the kind of identity politics which gave us TRA's and some of them seem to believe that man is an axis of oppression which can intersect with woman but not that conservative women can experience the same oppression as socialist women.

Given the way the, allegedly,left wing parties across the globe treat women's rights they can hardly lay the blame for up holding the patriarchy at the feet of conservative women.

Its hard to take that kind of feminism seriously.

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 11:49

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 11:38

Thank you to this board and all of you for being so kind over the racist poster and for knowing that it was goady and unpleasant despite not knowing my language, that also goes to MNHQ who removed the post about my family. So bizarre! Nobody is fluent in Maori because nobody today has been allowed to have it as a first language, so to disparage my family for not teaching me! You know how we didn’t lose our language? Our women taught it at home in secret ✊🏿

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nilsmousehammer · 25/03/2023 11:48

And your 'niceness' I'm afraid will be taken full advantage of by those who are wholly unconcerned with and uninhibited by any social values at all. They will not see you as the bigger person, they will see you as a mug.

This is largely how women got this far into this mess: we are socialised too bloody well and it's been weaponised against us.

sanluca · 25/03/2023 11:48

*Ah yes, more important to be left wing than actually want to protect women's and children's rights.

I recall having a heated debate on social media with a very well known, intelligent feminist who I greatly admire and who is impressively articulate - she told me that I could not be a feminist because I am not left wing.*

The left seem to become more and more intolerant of anything that is also not left. Since when is feminism only for left minded people? What ever happened to feminism is for all women, regardless of race, age, politics or religion? So women who are not left or left enough don't deserve sex based rights? No wonder most women don't call themselves feminists...

nilsmousehammer · 25/03/2023 11:47

The thing is, if women sit at home nicely waiting for a nice enough rally where the right people speak on all the right things in the right tone?

Your rights will be decades gone by the time it happens.

This isn't a drill.

chevvyroo · 25/03/2023 11:45

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 11:33

”but I would steer clear of a rally if I knew someone like PH would be there.”

See. I am a QLD’er and I disagree on many issues with Pauline Hanson and always have.

If it was a women’s rights rally promising a range of women speaking, I would not boycott it because of one speaker.

This is a good point.

I disagree with probably most of what she says. But I support free speech and certainly would not scream at her or throw liquid on her. She is entitled to her views.

Somehow though, I think would foresee this event turning into a fracas and would have stayed away. I realise this makes me a bit of a coward. coward. I also keep quiet on some of my views at work. I need a job.

chevvyroo · 25/03/2023 11:41

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 11:27

@chevvyroo I can’t stand that woman either but I don’t think it’s fair to expect Posie or anyone else to tell any woman, even her, they can’t turn up to listen. You also can’t expect foreigners to understand everything about the politics and politicians in your country. Trying to tell my Dad what a lowlife Boris is was hard, his image of him was only about covid where to him, Boris looked strong because he battled it etc etc he doesn’t understand all the things we do about our politicians.

Thanks to you and @ArabellaScott for explaining without putting me down! Smile

I have had my eyes opened and I'm genuinely shocked by the way some newspapers I used to trust, present totally biased views on this topic or just ignore stories completely (Guardian)!

I still detest the tone and worldview of a LOT of DM stuff but have accepted that they publish the truth on some matters and because of this I have lost some friends, they honestly think I have turned into some kind of fascist. It's depressing and scary.

I don't know what the answer is? If these LWS are free open mike events, then won't they will always descend into ugly scraps like this with totally biased reporting and then once people like PH and her supporters are present, it becomes easy to lump gender critical women in with them.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 11:38

Thank you to this board and all of you for being so kind over the racist poster and for knowing that it was goady and unpleasant despite not knowing my language, that also goes to MNHQ who removed the post about my family. So bizarre! Nobody is fluent in Maori because nobody today has been allowed to have it as a first language, so to disparage my family for not teaching me! You know how we didn’t lose our language? Our women taught it at home in secret ✊🏿

ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 11:34

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 11:31

I was so upset last night and first thing this morning, especially dealing with a racist here to boot. But women, I have had messages from home from people, lots of men, who I’ve never discussed this with who are asking me if I know of this woman, what the hell is wrong with the media, they’ve seen footage on twitter and are disgusted… they’ve started to see the light with nz media before this- sports media are pretty awful too- so I actually feel more hopeful even though I’m so very sad and worried for the women at the event who were scared.

What I have found is that every time we have a very dark day in this fight, it is followed by a stronger dawning of sunlight. Take heart. We are all with you. xxx

Helleofabore · 25/03/2023 11:33

”but I would steer clear of a rally if I knew someone like PH would be there.”

See. I am a QLD’er and I disagree on many issues with Pauline Hanson and always have.

If it was a women’s rights rally promising a range of women speaking, I would not boycott it because of one speaker.

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FOJN · 25/03/2023 11:33

Boiledbeetle · 25/03/2023 09:42

if she's had to come home them how long before our usual "she's conning you it's a money grab" posters turn up to claim she never booked any hotels after this stop, she personally invited the bullies to turn up so she cut her tour short and fleece all us women?

And if they are reading and considering it, a piece of advice...don't fucking bother.

They are better fund raisers for KJK than she could ever be alone. There were lots of donations being made when the live stream was up last night and the world watched what NZ TRA's do to women who want to speak.

I hope KJK is flying first class and drinking champagne.

Whaeanui · 25/03/2023 11:32

Also, why have an even called "let women speak - but not that one"? Surely the problem that KJK is highlighting is that women are being cut out for wrongthink?

yup I just had a WhatsApp message from a rugby nut friend who sent a video and said: so they’re not going to let women speak here then? Wtf is this?

keep posting if you have social media. It’s working. We don’t need MSM.