Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

This is horrific.

I remember the first Women's March - no violence worldwide despite the massive scale (only one man was arrested in St.Paul for verbal harassment). What has happened in such a short amount of time? Deranged people and aggressive men attacking and threatening older women and children.

It's a complete breakdown of civil society.

That video is amazing, the sound of angry male voices too, no boundaries must exist.

The video of the two young men pulling down the barricades and the one in the front grinning with great glee is such a metaphor of what is happening to the Women's Country. Invasion, colonisaton, and new laws about our places, words, awards, sports etc.

(They were however heavily into book burning, controlling language, controlling and intimidating the press, training up children in right think, punishing those caught guilty of speaking anything but the ordered language, repressing homosexuals and women, medical experimentation, and othering and dehumanising large groups of people who it was fine to behave in absolutely insane ways to on the grounds of 'politics' and 'the greater good' and 'they made us do it'. That was all very much their bag.)

I don’t get why pp are turning a blind eye to this violence

I am not seeing 'chasing' anyone anywhere. I see posters responding, with actual points, to posts that are openly provocative. Disagreement is a part of debate. And I vehemently disagree that women speaking out for equality have somehow managed to turn normally lovely people magically into batshit misogynist thugs in a mob attack on women. Or that women wanting equality has anything to do with the Third Reich. Who were vigorously anti equality, and women's rights, and children's rights, and homosexuality, and other things such as the women were trying to speak about.

I might need a definition of ‘chasing off’

has anyone been told to get off the thread cos thats bang out of order in that case

there are 3 similar threads running at the same time so i may have missed something

Some of the women who were at Melbourne have written about their experiences. Published here by @Glinner

How they smeared Posie in Melbourne
"To mark yesterday’s disgraceful violence towards women in New Zealand, I’ll be posting a few pieces today by people who have attended past events. The first is from a woman who attended one of Posie’s Australian stops. My thanks to her for this account."

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/how-they-smeared-posie-in-melbourne

@MishyJDI i have some questions. These “Nazis” that turned up. Antifa we’re there. You know, people who really hate Nazis. So why weren’t antifa attacking the Nazis? Why did antifa let the Nazis March straight through? Why were antifa more interested in preventing women speaking than dealing with these Nazis?

Posie has exposed them, yet again, and for that she deserves our thanks. This time round, the witches might just win.

We will.

And Now the whole world can see what this ideology is. The only thing the spectator got wrong is they're not hiding behind anything or masquerading as anything. They are upfront, in-your-face violent thugs.

Oh Lord, Mishy's not a feminist 😁. They just say that to wind women up.

this is what the spectator thinks mishy is.

The misogynistic streak in trans extremism is undeniable now. Watch enraged men kicking down metal barriers so that they might get closer to the witch Posie and tell me this isn’t sexism masquerading as radicalism.

Behold the use of megaphones and expletive-laden chants and physical menace to silence a woman and tell me this isn’t a sexist, censorious crusade against women’s freedom of speech.

Censorship begets bigotry. It begets violence itself.

I am disgusted at anybody lolling at male violence against women, at a mob attacking elderly women, chucking barriers, punching women, screaming, spitting, throwing liquids. Disgusted. Disgusted. Inclusion my fat arse. Forced inclusion is rape culture. The mob attacking a small group of women are the ones preaching hate, using fear as a tool to silence women, so intolerant of any other viewpoint than their own bullshit rainbow queer-theory that they must shut dissent down at any cost, they must erase, chase, cage, equate women to shit, spread lies, attack, smear, denigrate and dehumanise. It's all as clear as day. It's male supremacy, male domination, male violence. That's all it is. Lies, fear and abuse.

The never ending batshit....

inclusion doesn't just mean TQ men, it involves women too.

women requiring equality of consideration, provision and treatment are not 'hating' anyone - unless you're insanely male supremacist.

women are afraid of males. Rationally. TQ male people are allowed to be afraid for example of assault in men's spaces, why do you think they are unwilling to believe that a female human may have equal reason? And that it's necessary to share their fears and expect care and listening, but when a female does it, she's irrational and wrong?

Words mean something. Reality exists. Nazis were generally more into the male supremacism, homophobia, racism and dehumanising. When they existed. Which was nearly 7 decades back. Dressed up wanabe twats are..... nothing more than dressed up wanabe twats really.

Do you unreservedly condemn the violence directed at KJK?
Does your feminism allow for people to express views you may not agree with without being subjected to mob violence?
Do women have the right to expect to be listened to?
KJK went to speak, to state her views. You may or may not agree with her but surely you recognise that she had the right to state them without a violent response. Free speech doesn’t just apply to people you agree with.

I think some of those lucky enough to have never experienced any of the crap have not one single iota of understanding of just how evil life can be. How evil some men can be.

Whereas some of us have had a lifetime of being on alert to those tells!

Yep. Been there and this is all too familiar.

I do wonder if at least some of the female #BeKind brigade are so unfamiliar with being on the receiving end of male violence, psychological torture and manipulation that they simply cannot imagine the reality of it.

Some things, the involuntary covert signs and "tells", are just invisible to them.

The over-use of the words 'Nazi' to describe anyone who has no time for queer or intersectionalist identity politics has brought about the very behaviour it purports to condemn.

This with bells on.

Far left 'feminism' can do one. Really it can. It stands for men.

I don't actually believe you are an "old fashioned feminist". You can't possibly be - as you don'ts eem to be able to grasp even the basics. I think you are a lot younger than you claim. Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with youthful zeal, except for when it tips over into self righteousness.

Lols. You misinterpret my feminism. It comes from a place of inclusion, and rational discussion, not fear and intolerance that attracts nazis.

Your lovely, tolerant, inclusive version of feminism attracts men who choose to punch pensioner women in the face instead of nazis.

I'm also sick to death of hearing the term 'patriarchy' being trotted out ( so 1970's student politics), whilst at the same time suggesting that feminism should be inclusive to men. Feminism - the clue is in the name - centres women. That's the point.

You seem to think you are onto something new and radical. Explaining about how good it is to reject gender as if part of some vanguard movement new to society and unknown to previous generations of women.

The trans movement is itself extreme. Like attracts like. The behaviour of those mobs is actually far more reminiscent of Nazism than anything you will encounter when listening to women speak.

The over-use of the words 'Nazi' to describe anyone who has no time for queer or intersectionalist identity politics has brought about the very behaviour it purports to condemn.

Ahhh the soundtrack of my childhood!

Maybe that's why i hate this whole she deserves it, she courts it, she made them do it.

No! No she doesn't. No one deserves what that angry braying mob did yesterday. No one.

Funny isn't it how all those brave male anti-nazi pro trans protestors never punched ANY of the actual Nazis that showed up.
Instead they terrified a bunch of women; all smaller and weaker....

Yes. Sounds horribly like, "Crying? I'll give you something to cry about? Frightened of me, are you? I'll give you something to be frightened of!"