Standing for Women - NZ tour discussion. (To prevent further derailing of the thread for centring the women)

Clymene · Today 08:06

They've found the man who assaulted the elderly woman

Well, that's good - I wonder if he's going to be charged?

The way she pauses when talking about how women there won’t trust the police again is really sad. Kia Kaha Emily ✊🏿 sorry about your family.

Good!

That's good news. I thought he was going to get away with it.

They've found the man who assaulted the elderly woman

twitter.com/maddogcoin/status/1647834875666509825?s=61&t=gd6tu0Iz6JpyKXGLWMLGjg

Still, as @NotTerfNorCis pointed out, they at least described the event as a women's rights event and not an

Evil Terfy Genocidal Anti Trans Protest.

Baby steps, baby steps...

The BBC report has this to say:

Senator was allegedly thrown to the ground as she tried to confront Keen at a protest outside parliament in Canberra and in New Zealand she had juice thrown over her.

I wonder why they didn't mention her aggression and being bundled away by KJK's security and why it's written in a way in which it seems to imply that Lidia Thorpe had tomato juice thrown on her?

FYI the Stand By Your Women group of men are not associated with let women speak or any other group although they initially shared the details I gather there is violent threats from some or something which isn’t acceptable to the women I know of. Check Ani O’Briens twitter

When police and law don't do their job properly and impartially, people will take the law into their own hands.

It's one of those 'be dicks to people and take advantage of them, and they will get pissed off and start responding in ways you don't like' things that many activists and politicians seem to struggle with.

Don't know if there's another thread on this, but the BBC has an article about KJK in Belfast:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65187388

Counter rally planned over women’s rights event in Belfast

Great that they refer to it as a 'women's rights event'.

I saw that earlier, good for those men. I hope it goes okay and nothing nasty happens.

Look like KJK really lit a fire in NZ. I hope this only attracts men who want to do what the poster says rather than men looking for a fight.

twitter.com/singlikeadiva/status/1646259422119993345?s=20

That it has to graft itself on ancient roots shows how new, and parasitical, it is.

@UtopiaPlanitia yes I so agree with everything you just wrote! It’s all very very deliberate. First they attach themselves to the LGB & then indigenous cultures. All very intentional. I found it interesting that Stuff, who are awful and never edit or pull anything, pulled this story within a day. Someone important must of had something to do with it. I also understand the catholic issue in Ireland and yes of course the misogynistic aspect there- I’m Maori & Irish! I’ve only been to Ireland a few times but one side of my family are Irish and extremely catholic!

I’ve noticed that cultures with another societal option for men, like hijra in India/Pakistan, and Fa’afafine in Samoa, or two-spirit in Native North American cultures are all being co-opted by Gender Ideology in a very pick 'n' mix way with no attempt at appreciation for the original cultures and the meanings those second male categories have within those cultures.

Here in Ireland, we have Gender Ideology (among other new ideologies) slotting into society and occupying the hugely powerful space that Catholicism once had. A lot of Irish people seem desperate to prove that they are not backward or associated with the Church any longer.

This is a societal reaction to the sex-abuse scandals and the disgusting treatment of Irish women by both Church & State, and it’s also a desire to catch up other European countries who are perceived as more 'modern'. Plus, there’s a large component of wanting to be seen internationally as more virtuous than our former colonial overlords (Britain). And, the cherry on top is that Irish society is still sexist and so it’s easy to ignore women’s rights when it’s been happening for so long anyway and the bonus is that it’s considered progressive these days to ignore those moaning old-fashioned women anyway.

Thank you @UtopiaPlanitia that’s a great passage to highlight. It’s so so true. Same thing happened with Samoan culture of Fa’afafine being appropriated.

That was a fascinating article @Whaeanui, thanks for posting it. This paragraph particularly struck me as so relevant, it brilliantly describes how Gender Ideology has progressed in so many countries:

'Gender ideology globally has attached itself especially to indigenous cultures in every country, to give the illusion of antiquity and authenticity. Wi-Hongi is picking and choosing parts of our culture, cobbling them together into a sort of raggedy patchwork cultural cloak to wear as justification for his beliefs; a cloak that bears no resemblance to the beautiful original stories of Māori.'

Here is an article from Mana Wahine Korero, the Maori women who invited Posie, discussing appropriation of Maori culture by gender ideologists, re a now deleted Stuff NZ article:

https://plainsight.nz/mana-wahine-korero-response-to-now-deleted-stuff-article-vs-sean-plunket/

@Whaeanui it's grim isn't it!

And they wonder why women are angry!

Ani O’Brien is on twitter, she often shares the sentencing of violent offenders. It’s depressing. They get off so lightly there

Easily. All black Sevu Reece was on cctv chasing his gf down the street and beating her. A doorman from a bar pulled him off. He pled guilty. No conviction even. First hit is free, literally. Same for all black Shannon Frizell, he punched a woman and a man, threatened them days later, no conviction. Missed a game though and the country was sad 😞

I'm assuming what he did to KJK is classed as assault in NZ, as it's now going through the courts. He must have been charged in order to plead not guilty.

He's on film committing the crime and then gleefully admitting it and explaining the fact that it was completely premeditated.

How can they not find him guilty?