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Canadian athlete silenced by own team

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/03/2023 18:42

(Apologies if there is another thread on this - couldn't see one)

This is a gob-smacking story, which illustrates why today's World Athletics decision is so important.

In the 2016 Olympics women's 800m, all three medals went to athletes who are biologically male. The true winner, Canada's Melissa Bishop, was pushed into 4th place.

It has now emerged that the Canadian team management silenced the head coach by threatening a lifelong ban.

So Canada prioritised the feelings of male cheats over its own athlete and a gold medal. Literally Olympic level dick-pandering.

Canadian athlete silenced by own team
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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/03/2023 19:17

ExiledElsie · 23/03/2023 19:05

I only know about Caster Semenya (out of those three), but it's not quite as cut and dried as "clearly male" if they were recorded as female at birth and only realised they were male when older.

I do think DSDs are a more complicated case than people obviously male from birth trying to compete in women's sports.

Caster is a male who is choosing to cheat, by competing against women. Her sex would have been obvious at puberty, if not before. It is unfortunate if she was unaware of her true sex until that point, but I don't see why it gives her a free pass to cheat women out of their medals.

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viques · 23/03/2023 19:15

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/03/2023 18:56

Because stunning and brave, I assume. The BBC probably reported it as a good news story - they're always keen for us to enjoy our erasure.

Actually it was quite a high profile story, though admittedly not as high profile as it should have been . Lynsey Sharp, who is a Uk runner, should have won the bronze medal as she came third of the natal women runners.

nepeta · 23/03/2023 19:11

I believe all three on that podium have DSD? So the rules about their participation are not the same as the rules about the participation of males without DSD in women's categories?

ExiledElsie · 23/03/2023 19:07

The fact that this wasn't allowed to be discussed and athletics didn't bother actually dealing with the issue with consideration to women is obviously outrageous.

Jackiebrambles · 23/03/2023 19:07

That is outrageous. They should have their medals revoked. The poor female athletes.

ExiledElsie · 23/03/2023 19:05

I only know about Caster Semenya (out of those three), but it's not quite as cut and dried as "clearly male" if they were recorded as female at birth and only realised they were male when older.

I do think DSDs are a more complicated case than people obviously male from birth trying to compete in women's sports.

NecessaryScene · 23/03/2023 19:04

How was this not a major news story at the time? Those three ‘winners’ are clearly male.

Partly it's just no-one could really believe that they would be letting males in to compete with women.

People want to believe that the authorities aren't that stupid, and are prepared to doubt themselves.

Which is why you still see people on every single Twitter thread insisting that Semenya isn't male. Far easier to believe that the athletics authorities are doing the right thing and people on the net are misinformed bigots than that they are letting someone with male physiology - multiple people! - win female events.

Truthlikeness · 23/03/2023 19:01

DSD male athletes have consistently been reported in the press female. Most people have no idea they are biologically male. Then you throw in accusations of racism - black women not fitting the 'white woman' mould - and people quickly shut up.

FixItUpChappie · 23/03/2023 19:01

Because stunning and brave, I assume. The BBC probably reported it as a good news story - they're always keen for us to enjoy our erasure.

I'm sure Canada's CBC did (I'm Canadian) - they practically foam at the mouth in excitement to show how "progressive" they are about this stuff. Once you see the manipulation in how that they omit certain stories/information and highlight other types of stories/information...you can't unsee it.

MoltenLasagne · 23/03/2023 18:59

I remember talking about this at the time and the response was it was racism. It was very, very effective at shutting down concerns.

Rightsraptor · 23/03/2023 18:58

Well, Canada, innit?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 23/03/2023 18:56

KalimbaMoon · 23/03/2023 18:52

How was this not a major news story at the time? Those three ‘winners’ are clearly male. Absolutely shocking that the inclusion of males in a female competition has cost three women their rightful awards and all the kudos that would’ve gone with it.

Because stunning and brave, I assume. The BBC probably reported it as a good news story - they're always keen for us to enjoy our erasure.

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KalimbaMoon · 23/03/2023 18:52

How was this not a major news story at the time? Those three ‘winners’ are clearly male. Absolutely shocking that the inclusion of males in a female competition has cost three women their rightful awards and all the kudos that would’ve gone with it.