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Ana Kasparian is a bit like Owen Jones. Except she just dared to assert boundaries....guess what happened next

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bellinisurge · 23/03/2023 15:39

twitter.com/anakasparian/status/1638608868485005314?s=46&t=r5kx3z5-8Bi2hSNZTB-1lA

Ana Kasparian is the cohost of the Young Turks YouTube channel. Full on TWAW and very Owen Jones/Bernie Saunders. I watch the channel occasionally and she has been leading the lambasting of JK Rowling for ... whatever it is JKR is supposed to have done.

Anyhoo, she tweeted today an objection to the whole cervix Havers, menstruators thing. You will never guess how people responded. Actually, you will guess. But let's see if she backs down.

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Abhannmor · 24/03/2023 10:30

Wasn't Chapo Trap House booted from YouTube because one presenter wasn't sufficiently TRA?

They were pretty left - for the USA - and funny at times. Its a minefield out there.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 24/03/2023 10:21

Enjoying Zuby's response to her tweet.

Agree that the TRAs will target the sponsors.

EdgeOfACoin · 24/03/2023 08:50

IcakethereforeIam · 24/03/2023 08:41

They'll go for the show's sponsors. If anything, that'll make her backtrack. I hope she doesn't.

Yes, I agree.

IcakethereforeIam · 24/03/2023 08:41

They'll go for the show's sponsors. If anything, that'll make her backtrack. I hope she doesn't.

Chersfrozenface · 24/03/2023 08:41

@PorcelinaV Or you could just say, "biological females". I mean, trans people don't deny that "sex is real" right? So what is wrong with saying, "biological females" or just "females"?

Or we could credit that trans men are probably smart enough to understand that women's reproductive healthcare does apply to them also.

The problem is that an awful lot of people talk about "changing sex", especially in North America. And an amazingly large number of people, especially young people - and almost all trans men are young - actually believe that if you have the surgeries and take the hormones you do physically change sex.

I have a smidgeon of sympathy for healthcare workers in this case. Some of them surely know it's BS, but feel they have to use this language in order to persuade the ignorant, the misguided and the delusional to take up appropriate health care.

Until everyone in society accepts once more that sex is binary and immutable, and declares that unequivocally, we'll continue to get this kind of language.

EdgeOfACoin · 24/03/2023 08:37

Florissant · 24/03/2023 07:22

AK has been hoist by her own petard.

I would agree with that. She was certainly on board with the whole 'JKR is a transphobe' narrative, right from the very beginning. I was about ready to give up on TYT anyway, but the eye-rolling about JKR helped cement the decision.

I find it fascinating that the sentiment of her tweet is exactly the same as JKR's original 'wimpund?' tweet.

One to watch, I think. She will come under a huge amount of pressure to backtrack, educate herself and 'do better' in future.

Florissant · 24/03/2023 07:22

AK has been hoist by her own petard.

TheAntiGardener · 24/03/2023 07:05

Lots of replies saying that this is only happening in medical textbooks and similar. Even if that were true, I still feel dehumanised by these ugly terms. The medical establishment hasn’t been known for being female-friendly, so it’s hardly reassuring to think they’re now describing us with these terms - whether we like it or not. One person primly follows this up by saying that in a medical context, terms need to be biologically accurate. Well...

Beamur · 24/03/2023 06:56

I haven't heard of her before but that's a very clear statement.
She will have known it was provocative to say so let's see if she stays firm

PorcelinaV · 24/03/2023 06:09

I agree with her point that it's hardly "inclusive" if a lot of women hate it.

You have the option of saying, "women, trans-men, some non-binary", which may be slightly misleading because all you are really talking about is women.

Or you could just say, "biological females". I mean, trans people don't deny that "sex is real" right? So what is wrong with saying, "biological females" or just "females"?

Or we could credit that trans men are probably smart enough to understand that women's reproductive healthcare does apply to them also.

What's annoying to me is that a small group of people think they can change the language without consent from the wider public.

EdgeOfACoin · 24/03/2023 06:02

Cenk Uyger's response on Twitter also interesting:

Ana Kasparian is a bit like Owen Jones. Except she just dared to assert boundaries....guess what happened next
EdgeOfACoin · 24/03/2023 05:50

I used to watch TYT (The Young Turks) a lot, particularly in the run up to the 2016 US election and its aftermath.

I was always more conservative (small c) than its main fanbase but it was interesting to see their take on things and I agreed with them about Trump.

Eventually the rampant 'progressivism' and TRA talking points, along with their need to promote their sponsors every 5 seconds got too much and I stopped watching. They have had Laurie Penny on occasionally as a guest host, which gives you a flavour of their political leanings.

It's really fascinating to see Ana Tweet about this. It looks like she also got lambasted for talking to Ben Shapiro and noting that some progressive policies in California aren't working. Perhaps she's starting to question some of her views.

My suspicion is that she will backtrack (those TYT sponsors and oh-so progressive members who donate to them if nothing else) but I really, really hope she doesn't.

Chersfrozenface · 23/03/2023 17:04

FOJN · 23/03/2023 17:02

She's as unpleasant as LOJ.

It's been several hours now since I first saw her tweet, how long do we think it will be before she recants?

Ooh, is someone running a book?

Soz, being flippant here

FOJN · 23/03/2023 17:03

KJK retweeted her and said she thought she would have her mountain top experience within weeks. Let's see.

FOJN · 23/03/2023 17:02

She's as unpleasant as LOJ.

It's been several hours now since I first saw her tweet, how long do we think it will be before she recants?

Abhannmor · 23/03/2023 16:53

Be interesting if she doesn't cave. She sniffed the wind perhaps and is racing away from danger , like a Thompson's Gazelle.

StephanieSuperpowers · 23/03/2023 16:27

I imagine it'll be possible she'll do a public retraction but I'd also say that the reaction has given her a lot to think about.

bellinisurge · 23/03/2023 15:55

If she doesn't cave, it will be a miracle. Interesting (unsurprisingly) her Co host Cenk Uygur has said he agrees with her but is not getting the same flack. Although he is getting a lot of "keep your woman in line" tweets

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Hoardasurass · 23/03/2023 15:52

Oh dear I guess another tra handmaiden is reaching the top of Mt kilomanjaro (sp) and being helped over the top by her former friends