Ana Kasparian is a bit like Owen Jones. Except she just dared to assert boundaries....guess what happened next

That's a depressing thought, JustWaking.

I watched Ana's discussion with Ben Shapiro that was recorded in February. It looks as though during the pandemic she started to listen to and read views outside of her own echo chamber.

Very interesting. She's still obviously very much on the hard left but it looks as though there is a softening around the edges of some of her hard-line views. It's possible she may find herself at the top of the mountain shortly. Who knows.

Context is an important factor though. It's quite different to state, "people with uteruses" when actually you mean biological women and are differentiating them from men than if a medical professional is addressing a room full of women and uses the same term. Even then, why not say "women with uteruses" if that's what you mean?

I’m laughing at the phrase “Alphabet Mafia”.

Ages ago, I read a comment on this board about building golden bridges.

That a 'win' wouldn't play out by those people who trashed GC viewpoints saying 'sorry, you guys were right all along. What were we thinking?!'

Instead, it would play out with those people who currently support Gender Ideology saying exactly the same things we've been saying as if they were the ones who had just thought of it. And we would still be the bad guys.

That seems to be what's happening here. It's a bit galling and depressing. But if the insanity stops, that's the main thing.

Superb.

I love the second vein dia

That is just brilliant 🤣🤣

A chap made a Venn diagram for AK, and another chap made a Venn diagram for the first chap.

😅

Isn't though!

It's clearly never crossed any of their minds that men are not equally referred to as ejaculators, or penis havers, or testicle owners, or sperm providers.

so immersed in their own sexism, it doesn't even occur to them.

Lipstick Alley's take on it all:

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ana-kasparian-please-dont-ever-refer-to-me-as-a-person-with-a-uterus-birthing-person-or-person-who-menstruates.5208830/

They say that they "don't deny biology".

Yes, in practice they want to ignore it.

That Reddit thread is painful.

Or you could just say, "biological females". I mean, trans people don't deny that "sex is real" right? So what is wrong with saying, "biological females" or just "females"?

Er - I think many/most of them do, unfortunately.

“It's to do with the destruction of the concept of female, reducing it brick by brick until it no longer excludes male."

thats a great way to look at it

as a woman who has had a hysterectomy I find the dehumanisation and reclassification with tras implying I’m now similar to the males identifying as woman very distressing

on the replies to AK
Ana, that might be one of the most TERF things you could say. JS.

JS = just stop?
shut up woman

"It's to do with the destruction of the concept of female, reducing it brick by brick until it no longer excludes male."

This is a good explanation. We should save this.

It was a blink-and-it’s-gone moment, probably the first time I witnessed a real-time memory-holing in progress!

Reddit just assumed I might be interested in how Ana’s tweet is going down on Vaush’s fan subreddit and stuck this on my feed (I am interested but not in a TeamVaush
way!)

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/11zl1e6/ana_kasparian_since_democrats_didnt_protect_roe_v/

I hope Ana is able to have a nice day with real people, because no matter who you are or how knowingly you walk into the fire, getting dragged by your ‘own side’ is a horrible experience.

Reminder of who Vaush is for Mumsnetters (he’s only memorable due to JK!) https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-youtuber-vaush-spar-over-international-womens-day-tweet-1686606

But even that distinction gets lost - yesterday BBC news reporting on the world athletics decision said 'female transgender athletes' meaning transwomen

That's really interesting, Crypto fascist. I was still watching TYT from time to time in 2019, but I missed that entirely.

She still criticised JKR, though, and I can only assume she didn't look into what JKR actually wrote. Perhaps she will now.

She's also married to a baseball player so that might give her an insight into what is happening in women's sports too.

As for AOC (beloved by TYT)...I really don't see her backtracking any time soon. I think she's 100% on board with the ideology.

It’ll certainly be interesting if she ends up taking a similar position on The New Religion of Genderism!
It’s pretty much the same thing, they are both belief systems with ardent followers who try to enforce their special rules onto non-believers by getting them written into law. In both cases women are the ones who are most negatively affected.

I really loved her rant about religion. It's totally how I feel and the USA could use a lot more of this attitude.

I posted about this on the general thread yesterday but this is not a new position for AK - she said similar once before on a TYT live broadcast and I got really excited and wanted to post it here once it went up as a permanent video but the whole discussion thing was memory holed within a day.
I gave up on TYT after that.

So yes, she must have gone into this tweet with her eyes wide open and it must’ve been pre agreed with Cenk because this is not their first rodeo.

The previous occasion was summer 2019 and IIRC it was a four person panel discussion about that bizarre DSA conference where clapping was banned and ‘non gendered language’ was requested from the floor.

from my hazy memory Anna said she didn’t want to be referred to with non gendered language, that being a woman had influenced her personal and political life in lots of ways and non-gendered language couldn’t describe that experience.

There might even have been a transitioned male person on the panel? Who also said they didn’t want non-gendered language to become standard?

Anyway, it was all very reasonable and the fact it got memory holed so rapidly made me absolutely despondent in regards to women’s rights and the American left, so I stopped watching not long after (possibly after a TYT segment criticising Tulsi Gabbard and her attempt at an across the aisle bill re: Women’s sports?)

Funny that Anna went on to criticise JK for saying similar (probably without actually reading JK’s own words) and when she finally got brave enough to make a public stand she immediately gained the nickname ‘AK Rowling’.

Overall though, I still think this is a good thing - first high profile left wing American women I’ve seen deliberately going against her own audience. If Anna Kasparian is now a ‘Right Wing Christian conservative Terf’ then it’s surely only a matter of weeks before AOC is one too?

TYT have quite a few trans contributors so I wonder if any will quit over this?

I don't understand the assumption that trans men are ignorant of their own anatomy and thus require distorted messaging about health needs. I read many different trans forums. The FtM forums are populated with pretty well educated, medically informed users. They are hyper-fixated on their anatomy and understand it better than many. After all their main goals include yeeting that very anatomy ASAP.

Describing women by body part is nothing to do with inclusion for trans men. It's to do with the destruction of the concept of female, reducing it brick by brick until it no longer excludes male.

Enjoying Zuby's response to her tweet.

Someone has responded to him by calling him, "a wack ass, white supremacist rapper".

TRA's are just overflowing with the milk of human kindness and possess an admirable talent for expressing themselves articulately and respectfully.

I wonder if, at the periphery of her understanding that she's realising this has nothing to do with including transmen in anything. Nothing at all.

Transmen are women. And transmen are a tiny subset of women, at that. In what world have a tiny cohort of women been able to influence language across the board like this? In healthcare, female charities, government policies, social media, the lot?

Certainly not a patriarchal world. No-one listens to women or cares what they want. And certainly not the in blatant, misogynistic world of trans ideology. There are only three famous transmen (and one of those is only famous for giving birth).

No. This is not driven by women who identify as men.

This is driven by men identifying as women. They are trying, at every turn, to decouple the word woman from female biology, in order that they can claim the word woman for themselves. They cannot have it, under any circumstances, being reliant on female biology or anatomy. Because they don't possess any.

Hence the women being reduced to individual functions but not men or transwoman. No-one calls men penis havers or ejaculators, however they identify. Males are divided into men and 'women'.

Who can forget Munroe Bergdorf saying women were only allowed to march in the women's march - their own march - as long as they didn't centre their anatomy, by wearing pussy hats.

Even then, the men were desperately trying to separate the concept of woman from her own biology.