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They’re not Terfs they are ‘Terds’ Senator Nick McKim announces in Tasmanian Parliament

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 22/03/2023 09:01

I can’t believe the misogyny and hostility towards women.

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OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 22/03/2023 11:30

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:26

Exactly. They turned up agreeing with the views being expressed

FFS, you think Neo-Nazis turned up because they agree with Women’s Rights activists? No Neo-Nazi has ever agreed with allowing women to speak. Serious comprehension fails here.

PSNonsense · 22/03/2023 11:30

So.. if you display a view, and a person who holds other views on something else that you completely disagree with, also displays that view, it makes you the same as them?! Is that the argument here?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:29

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:28

Neo nazis turning up at a rally for womens issues being picketed by transactivists, neo nazis are against the transactivists = women are neo nazis.

Seriously?

No, of course not, but you do realise some women could be too, right?! They're not just all big blokes with shaved heads and tattoos you know....

Who are you saying is a neo nazi, or is this just a vague accusation?

PorcelinaV · 22/03/2023 11:29

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:24

The issue is that they turned up in the first place because they liked what the speakers were saying. And as a feminist I don’t want any association with neo nazis.

Even if that's correct, what you are saying just makes you irrational. That's fine, but other people shouldn't want to share your irrational position.

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:28

Neo nazis turning up at a rally for womens issues being picketed by transactivists, neo nazis are against the transactivists = women are neo nazis.

Seriously?

No, of course not, but you do realise some women could be too, right?! They're not just all big blokes with shaved heads and tattoos you know....

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:28

Well, I don't really understand the 'dropkick' thing, either. He's implying he wants to 'dropkick' women he disagrees with? That's not very nice.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 22/03/2023 11:27

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 11:21

That still doesn't make sense! Women who know what sex is are a banned aussie football move? Is there a colloquial use of the word?

You might be over-thinking this 😉

He needed something starting with 'D' to get TERD. Dickhead doesn't really work for women - because he knows what a woman is when he is insulting them. Dropkick conveys both something you want to send far away and - as @OnlyTheWeedsGrow says - a general insult.

If you are wanting a carefully honed metaphor, you're looking at the wrong politician.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:26

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:26

Exactly. They turned up agreeing with the views being expressed

So ... you think the women should not speak about women's rights in case nazis agree?

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:26

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:24

The issue is that they turned up in the first place because they liked what the speakers were saying. And as a feminist I don’t want any association with neo nazis.

Exactly. They turned up agreeing with the views being expressed

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:26

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 22/03/2023 11:21

A drop kick is also slang for a dickhead/a tosser.

And there is no fucking way Mishy is Australian or understands anything about Australia.

The fact they keep avoiding answering by disappearing makes this pretty clear.

Maybe they watched Neighbours or Home and Away? I would hope it is more than that. But they keep making broad cultural statements about Australia and it is getting pretty offensive because it misuses phrases or doesn't reflect the broader thinking at all.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:25

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:24

The issue is that they turned up in the first place because they liked what the speakers were saying. And as a feminist I don’t want any association with neo nazis.

No, I don't like nazis either. But how would you get rid of them, realistically, if they decided to storm a meeting? The police allowed them to march about, from what I can see.

sanluca · 22/03/2023 11:25

They turned up at a rally speaking about trans issues (yes, yes, women's issues before anyone fixates on my wording) and they share the same viewpoint as those speaking against trans people.

So talking about womens issues is speaking against trans people.... right.

Women can never win. Womens rights = anti trans. Neo nazis turning up at a rally for womens issues being picketed by transactivists, neo nazis are against the transactivists = women are neo nazis.

Seriously?

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:25

Who made you the spokes' person for all trans people?
I've never claimed to be.

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:24

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:22

I do hope all these posters here are going to be seeking out the nazi men's forum and telling them off for their behaviour.

Or is it just about telling off feminists because some other feminist on the other side of the world failed to expel the nazis from a women's rights meeting. I've yet to hear how a group of women would actually do this, tbh. The police allowed these men to march about with impunity. What was a group of middle aged women supposed to do? Attack them with T shirts?

The issue is that they turned up in the first place because they liked what the speakers were saying. And as a feminist I don’t want any association with neo nazis.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/03/2023 11:23

Can I just check if the guilt by association thing goes for those women standing with men who send death threats, say women should be raped with baseball bats, hold up signs saying ‘decapitate TERFS’, force their way into women's refuges and women’s rape survivors support groups and think rainbow dildo butt monkey was nothing to worry about

or does guilt by association only go one way?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:23

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:22

I did, sorry! Working whilst responding and didn’t proof read before I posted

What I mean is - feminists aren’t one single group with perfectly aligned views, and there seems to be a tendency on here to think any argument against your worldview is misogynist or from TRAs.

The comment about leaders and published feminists was referring to other posters comment.

Okay. Yes, I agree that feminism is an enormously broad church.

Hepwo · 22/03/2023 11:22

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You should join the National Socialists. You have similar national supremacy tendencies.

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 11:22

Thanks Only, that's the bit I was missing. I knew it wouldn't be nice!

Lovely behaviour especially in the context of his role and where he was speaking.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:22

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 11:13

TERDs? TERDs?! 😂Wow, isn't he grown up and clever? Except that's not actually how you spell it, it's 'turd'.

I'm not really familiar with the term 'dropkick' so just just looked it up (sorry if someone already said it, all the early replies to dear Mish made the thread unreadable).

A dropkick is an attacking maneuver in professional wrestling. It is defined as an attack where the wrestler jumps up and kicks the opponent with the soles of both feet

In which case I'm really not even sure what message that guy is actually trying to communicate.

Now that takes me back. Dropkick! I think it is apt.

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:22

I do hope all these posters here are going to be seeking out the nazi men's forum and telling them off for their behaviour.

Or is it just about telling off feminists because some other feminist on the other side of the world failed to expel the nazis from a women's rights meeting. I've yet to hear how a group of women would actually do this, tbh. The police allowed these men to march about with impunity. What was a group of middle aged women supposed to do? Attack them with T shirts?

Jujuj · 22/03/2023 11:22

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:15

I'm sorry, I genuinely don't understand what you're saying here. Have you missed a word out? Or are you responding to someone else?

I did, sorry! Working whilst responding and didn’t proof read before I posted

What I mean is - feminists aren’t one single group with perfectly aligned views, and there seems to be a tendency on here to think any argument against your worldview is misogynist or from TRAs.

The comment about leaders and published feminists was referring to other posters comment.

JacquelinePot · 22/03/2023 11:21

That still doesn't make sense! Women who know what sex is are a banned aussie football move? Is there a colloquial use of the word?

OnlyTheWeedsGrow · 22/03/2023 11:21

A drop kick is also slang for a dickhead/a tosser.

And there is no fucking way Mishy is Australian or understands anything about Australia.

Helleofabore · 22/03/2023 11:19

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:12

What?
Are you now trying to say you are for trans rights?
You're happy having trans women seen as women?

You've done a big turn around, I'm impressed. nope wait you having a massive obtuse moment again, I'm sure - although apologies if I now see you on threads saying trans women as women.

A big turn around? I think you are having a massive obtuse moment.

I don't agree that any male is a woman. I fight for sex based rights for female's where they need to be prioritised over gender. There are rights such as protecting female inmates in prisons, keeping males with testosterone benefits out of female sports categories, ensuring that female rape victims can have a female only space, and in general that female single sex spaces are maintained.

If you don't agree with my priorities, that is fine. I won't be calling you names. And I won't be telling you that you align yourself with groups who you don't align with.

But crack on. If you think that me not seeing any male as a woman in the areas of law were women and girls rely on sex being prioritised is against 'trans rights' then that is your issue. I also know that there are many trans people who agree with me and not you.

Who made you the spokes' person for all trans people?

ArabellaScott · 22/03/2023 11:19

CremeEggQueen · 22/03/2023 11:18

Suddenly are apparently 'aligned with the nazis'.
We're saying on this issue against this particular minority!
Its the exact same mindset as an Anti Semite thinking they dont align with Nazis as "it's only on this one issue, I dont agree anywhere else, I dont share views on disabled people, and anyway Hitlers a vegetarian, are you saying you disagree with that?!
Seriously, what?

How is it so hard to understand? I honestly think some aren't getting it on purpose, or are in full on denial.
Got to be, surely.

So you think that the feminists align with the nazis how, exactly? Could you be more specific, please? Apologies if I'm failing to understand your argument.