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Nicola Sturgeon’s final address -I’ve had more toxic abuse over trans rights than any other

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 21/03/2023 08:50

Nicola Sturgeon on her final speech as Scottish leader- women should ‘relearn how to disagree’ - it’s a very odd speech which blames the backlash on a very unpopular policy which was being pushed through without the consent of the people.

“I’ve had more toxic abuse, on this issue, much of it from women claiming to care about women’s rights and women’s safety than I have from probably any other issue,” she said.
“All of us need to take a step back and reflect on that.
“We can disagree and obviously do disagree but whether it’s on this issue or other issues, we need to relearn how to disagree in a way that is civilised and respectful and brings a bit of good faith back into some of these debates.”

uk.news.yahoo.com/sturgeon-ive-had-more-toxic-024911951.html

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MarshaBradyo · 21/03/2023 11:37

It really is ingrained into some that women are less deserved to have a voice.

Even as they trip over the door jamb as they go they can’t reassess.

fiendishdragon · 21/03/2023 11:32

Hang on. Is she seriously suggesting that she had serious threats, threats of violence, from "Women claiming to care about women's rights and women's safety"?

Or by 'toxicity' does she just mean 'women disagreeing with me'?

FrancescaContini · 21/03/2023 11:31

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/03/2023 09:21

Clasic example of DARVO right there.
And she claims to be a feminist.

My thoughts exactly.

AmuseBish · 21/03/2023 11:30

"the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

Nicola - every time you refuse to say what a woman is, YOU ARE DOING THIS TO WOMEN.

AmuseBish · 21/03/2023 11:29

Ah, the dishonesty. Never far away, is it?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/03/2023 11:19

“I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

Nobody would ever want kids to feel this way or to be treated nastily, with stigma or discriminatorily, but if a young male person is genuinely feeling suicidal at being expected to use the male toilets, I would gently suggest that there is a lot of vulnerability there that needs compassionate help and care, far beyond and in no way addressed by any automatic decision to take basic human rights away from other people in order to add them on to the (same) existing ones that the vulnerable person already has.

Of course sex-based facilities are 'discriminatory' on one level: with the exception of very young children with their parent, NO male is allowed in the women's facilities; equally NO female is allowed in the men's facilities - but there ARE facilities for everybody.

Differentiation in this way is only a bad thing when it leaves some people with fewer rights than other people; not when they have absolutely equal rights but facilitated in a different (still equal) way that is appropriate to their own circumstances.

Taking it to an absurd level, I can't claim abuse and stigma because there are tens of millions of NI numbers out there that I am being wilfully denied the right to ever use - because each person only needs (and qualifies for) one, meaning that I have my own exclusive one, just like everybody else does; the individual digits are neither here nor there, even if I did decide that I 'should have' a '4' in there somewhere rather than a '9' that 'doesn't truly represent who I am' for some bizarre arbitrary reason.

readsalotgirl63 · 21/03/2023 11:18

Who was it who said those opposed to GRR were transphobic/homophobic/bigots who were also probably tories/brexit supporters and racists ?
Oh right - that would be you Nicola. So how's that "civilised and respectful" ?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/03/2023 11:10

SirChenjins · 21/03/2023 11:02

She’s tying herself up in verbal knots in her utter determination to defend herself on this issue as she tries - and fails - to prove she’s right and the majority of the country is wrong. Hmmm - sounds v familiar...
A fascinating insight into her approach to governing - no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.

And her selfishness in not caring that this is going to make life harder for HY - her anointed successor - with the wider electorate, and possibly the SNP membership too (depending on whether we think there's anyone left in the party who cares about women's rights, after the mass exodus).

I honestly would not have believed that there was any issue on which a majority of the Scottish public (even pro-union ones) would have backed Tory Westminster interfering with a Holyrood decision. But NS managed that with the GRR bill. Yet she chooses to double-down and remind the public why they are angry with the SNP.

It's never been about what's right for Scotland. It's only ever been about her.

DysonSpheres · 21/03/2023 11:09

RealFeminist · 21/03/2023 10:40

I AM THE CALM AND REFLECTIVE ONE YOU IRRATIONAL TOXIC LYING BITCH VIPERS FROM HELL

Wholeheartedly echo this❤️👍🏿

rioseco · 21/03/2023 11:04

Just fuck off Sturgeon

SirChenjins · 21/03/2023 11:02

She’s tying herself up in verbal knots in her utter determination to defend herself on this issue as she tries - and fails - to prove she’s right and the majority of the country is wrong. Hmmm - sounds v familiar...
A fascinating insight into her approach to governing - no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in.

LittleFingerStrength · 21/03/2023 10:58

Datun · 21/03/2023 10:41

It came as the outgoing SNP leader said she would argue she was “not out of step” with the country around the issues of trans rights and the gender recognition act.

Eh??

“I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

Christ. She genuinely doesn't get it. Perhaps she should fucking read the cass report?

Sturgeon was also asked if she regretted her handling of trans rapist Isla Bryson, a convicted rapist placed in a women’s prison.

“These are tough issues, but they are issues fundamentally about basic human rights,” she said.

“There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group.

Yes there is, you dingbat. We don't give men the right to access all areas where women are vulnerable because some of them will assault those women.

That's why they don't get that 'right.

She has no fucking idea what she's talking about. J. K. Rowling is right.

Nicola like Prince Harry is just a memory recall linguist reading scripts.

Hepwo · 21/03/2023 10:56

You can understand the instinct people have to deflect the blame onto others but when it's the first minister doing it, you wonder why such poor behaviour isn't recognised as a problem.

Musomama1 · 21/03/2023 10:56

She ought to talk to JK Rowling.

vinoandbrie · 21/03/2023 10:54

She is just so awful! Good riddance to her.

Ndd135632 · 21/03/2023 10:50

“There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group.“

Did she really say that? Is she utterly thick? Oh the irony.

Datun · 21/03/2023 10:41

It came as the outgoing SNP leader said she would argue she was “not out of step” with the country around the issues of trans rights and the gender recognition act.

Eh??

“I’ve sat in rooms with young trans kids talking to me about wanting to kill themselves because of the stigma and the discrimination and the inability to be recognised for who they are.”

Christ. She genuinely doesn't get it. Perhaps she should fucking read the cass report?

Sturgeon was also asked if she regretted her handling of trans rapist Isla Bryson, a convicted rapist placed in a women’s prison.

“These are tough issues, but they are issues fundamentally about basic human rights,” she said.

“There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group.

Yes there is, you dingbat. We don't give men the right to access all areas where women are vulnerable because some of them will assault those women.

That's why they don't get that 'right.

She has no fucking idea what she's talking about. J. K. Rowling is right.

RealFeminist · 21/03/2023 10:40

I AM THE CALM AND REFLECTIVE ONE YOU IRRATIONAL TOXIC LYING BITCH VIPERS FROM HELL

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 21/03/2023 10:33

She really is a case study in internalised misogyny.

Nicola Sturgeon has revealed she has received more abuse over the issue of trans rights... No, she has received more abuse over women's rights. As is apparently customary in politics and in life.

Nicola Sturgeon What GIF by The SNP
WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 21/03/2023 10:33

Zero shame.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 21/03/2023 10:30

Off you fuck, Nicola.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/03/2023 10:29

Good of her to remind the electorate exactly why they are getting rid of her, and what a vote for HY will mean. If he wasn't such an utter twunt, I would feel sorry for him. "Here, Humza, take this lovely poisoned chalice".

littlbrowndog · 21/03/2023 10:28

How cheeky and smug is she

smug GIF
littlbrowndog · 21/03/2023 10:26

He was at it

RealFeminist · 21/03/2023 10:25

AGAIN THAT WAS A RAPISTGENDER NO A TRANSWOMAN. HE JUST PRETENDED TO BE A TRANSWOMAN

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