Nicola Sturgeon’s final address -I’ve had more toxic abuse over trans rights than any other

Fuckity bye, Nicola.

women claiming to care about women’s rights and women’s safety

she is a fucking disgrace.

in NSs mind, she is the only woman allowed a voice.
the rest of us should just shut up.

Face it, hen - you fucked up big time. Take responsibility for that, don’t blame the women who are fighting for women’s rights. And then ask yourself why we are having to fight for our rights in a so-called civilised country.

It's straight out of the TRA playbook. Why punish us all by what a few miscreants do.

We're harmless.

She hasn't listened and she's not listening still.

She can't possibly think she was not out of step with the public. Or She's clearly never read a btl comment, ever.

I would love to know the reasons that former SNP members give for leaving or not renewing their membership.

I am increasingly realising how absolutely abusive and toxic some people are

Sturgeon’s DARVO seems entirely in character

good riddance

Quite.

And this is also the woman who invented rapist gender, because she wouldn't recognise a person for who they said they were or who they actually were!!

She had to invent an identity for them !

So glad to have you here with us @RealFeminist especially at this very busy and emotional time for you 😂

She absolutely is out of step with public opinion on this one, she just didn't realise because of #nodebate. Over the last weekend I discovered two fellow terfs in my wider work network and with both it was thanks to this nonsense that we were able to start the conversation. Working in the Scottish voluntary sector, people do not feel able to talk about this stuff but the comments are starting and soon they won't stop. It is 100% her own doing.

It is the phrasing "it is horrible for everyone else" that gets me. I also think it always reveals an underlying psychology into what she thinks the female is

I haven't seen the Loose Women clip, but going off this thread, I agree that the two things are linked. If it's 'horrible for everyone else' (!!!) when women don't wear make-up, because women aren't making themselves 'prettier' and aren't showing that they accept that it's their role as women to concern themselves with what men think of them, as they should, but instead just existing as women as men are allowed to do; and it's horrible and toxic abuse for women to refuse to go along with the idea that you can identify as a woman and that this identification should trump the category of sex every time, both are about women refusing to accept that it's their role as women to concern themselves with what men think and fall in line with men's conception of the world and to facilitate making life as pleasant for men as they can. It's about women standing up for their rights as full and not secondary human beings.

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow points taken. I can see what you are saying. It is sad and I can feel for her on a personal level. But I think as a politician it is an issue to see that internalised mysogyny redirected at the populace, particularly the youngsters. But, we are all human. I take the point!

Wait! did she really say this do you think or was this a twist from the reporter?

"There is no other group in society where we take the behaviour of a tiny minority and use it to deny rights to that group."

Because maybe she hasn't realised quite what she has said....

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Angry criticism of a terrible policy (angry because of her dismissal of legitimate concerns) is not 'toxic abuse'

Women who don't agree with centering the demands and preferences of men are probably sexist, homophobic and quite possibly racist, is that right Nicola, and their concerns are not "valid". Quite happy to have any woman who disagreed with you hounded out of the party and had nothing to say about the threats made against Joanna Cherry.

You cleansed the party of anyone who had an ounce of talent or didn't agree with you in case they threatened your power and stuffed it was third rate no marks and yes men who wouldn't rock the boat, hence the dearth of talent from which to pick your successor. The whole thing's a national fucking embarrassment.

After the covid years standing on your platform spouting off to a gutless supine media, watching you squirm and stutter in the interviews following the Bryson debacle was an utterly delicious pleasure.

Off you fuck Nicola, you won't be missed and I've got plenty of popcorn left for whatever else is going to spill out regarding your tenure...I hope your chickens come home to roost.

Oh and no matter what, #WomenWontWheesht

I do get that - and agree with your general point. I just think that, in NS's case, she has developed this mind-frame in response to 20 years of misogynistic abuse. You will have gathered from my earlier posts that I am in no way a fan of hers, but - on this point only - I see her as the victim. It's a hell of an ask to expect someone to absorb two decades of vile misogyny directed at her appearance, and not to have internalised that misogyny at the end of it. I think her words probably do reflect how she has been conditioned to think about herself, and that is sad.

Couldnae mark her neck wi a blowtorch.

Shameless.

sorry but I do think it is deeper than that @MissLucyEyelesbarrow . I don't require her to be a paragon either, or to not appear however she likes. But the messaging that part of what women do is wear makeup, is part of the problem. I am quite certain that hearing that as a young woman would be firing up neurons telling me to get the hell out of womanhood, and it is happening to other young women I care about right now. It is the phrasing "it is horrible for everyone else" that gets me. I also think it always reveals an underlying psychology into what she thinks the female is, it might give insight into why she won't consider articulate arguments in favour of women. In other words womanhood is a face, something to be worn, something to be put down on an off day.

Meh, I'd give her a pass on that. She's taken so much stick about her appearance . She laughs along with the Jimmy Cranky stuff, but it must be hurtful.

I don't require her to be some paragon of unimpeachable feminist virtue (even if she does think she is). I just require her not to throw women under the bus, then lie about it.

I actually think she feels as constricted by the womanly nonsense of make-up and heels as a lot of us but on Loose Women it very much feels as if she’s playing along with all the ‘womanly-ness’ - it feels forced. Trying to be ‘relatable’. Like Tony Blair and all the head-the-ball, keepy-uppey ‘blokey’ role-play he used to indulge in.

I don’t think she’s going to be ditching those power suits any time soon.

IVE BEEN THE BEST PROGRESSIVIST NICEST AND KINDEST MINISTER IN THE WORDL AND AH HATE YOU ALL

Ah, us pesky women with our concern for women and girls safety.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out there, Nic. Good riddence!

WE HAVE TO COVER UP OUR HORRIBLE WOMANLINESS TO NOT UPSET THE MENFOLK

I just saw a clip of Nicola on Loose Women (I know, bad move). She is speaking of a less formal lifestyle now. But she talks of "days when you don't have to put make up on". It sticks in my craw this. If the perception and the communication to an audience is women HAVE TO put make on othewise "it is horrible for everyone else". Some reflection there, on the role modelling she isn't doing to a younger generation would be good. I mean wear make up sure, don't make wear make up, but please don't tell other women that it is "horrible for everyone else" if you choose not to.

She’s just really annoyed that we wouldn’t back down. She thought her seemingly level-headed, no-nonsense delivery style, that gained her some fans in Lockdown, would work to erode away our thinking on this issue. Gosh Nicola you were right all along… of course there's nothing wrong with just ignoring all these men wanting our rights, spaces, opportunities etc… Sure we’re all done with that feminist action now - we can sit down and have lovely women’s business lunches and exchange make-up tips with Phillip(a) our old CEO. All women together.

I was actually moved to tears by that photo of you at the public event where you later admitted that you were going through a miscarriage. Fucking hell Nicola, how can you not understand where we’re coming from? Or do women always have to make the biggest sacrifices in this world?