‘Identifying as a woman’ is self-defeating, so instead this leads to...

Yes I remember this too. Proof that it's never been about the space, the room, or anything other than the actual women in that space and their unquestioning acceptance of the TW as a "woman".

The reason TW were "miffed" that other TW were in the toilet and not actual women, is that even THEY know TW are not women.
They know in every way.
AND if they can't accept OTHER TW as women then how are WE supposed to accept them as women?

First cousin marriages are very common in some societies and although there is slightly higher incidence of some genetic diseases they are not completely disastrous. Irish Travellers are one example but it's a thing for some South Asians as well.

No, I know. But then you’ll have a slightly different number of great/great/great grandparents.

Where are the trans girls (is.boys) then. Have they been put in with the girls?

Unless done generationally, there is no problem marrying a first cousin - it is not restricted in the consanguinity rules on marriage. To keep marrying first cousins generation after generation is a bad, bad idea, however.

The plight of Afghan girls and women

Then onto the atrocious way to describe the plight of girls and women as something they identify into…
Are these people on glue?

I agree with most of what you write, but when it comes to nationality (you used the example Norwegian) it is slightly different.

My children were not born or raised in the country of their nationality and they feel no affinity with the country of their nationality. But, they ARE that nationality whether they like it or not, because the rules in the country they were born states that my children must follow MY nationality as I was not married to their father (and he was not a national of the country they were born in either).
Also, to gain a nationality that is not automatically bestowed upon you, you actually have to pass a test. Lots of weird and random questions and you still have to swear your allegiance, afaik.

😊 just to be a pedantic arse.

They really need to give their heads a wobble.

Girls and women aren't oppressed in Afghanistan because of how they identify.

Would the Taliban start treating them like humans if they all decided to identify as men? No, of course not.

Amazing how angry people get at the thought of identifying as a different ethnicity or race as the one you appear to be (as others have said race has no such lines and demarcations)

But its just shrugged off in society that men can identify as women when biology is factual and clear cut, you're either one or the other and tests can prove which one

Wow. That is so insulting to Afghan women and the terrible struggle they are going through. You’d think an Afghan charity would appreciate that those women are living with the harsh reality of sex-based oppression. I don’t think the Taliban need to ask for pronouns.

"And is the school saying "we won't put these children in with actual boys FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY"????"

Unfortunately I'm not privy to how the school are responding, just the parents trying to get people onboard with "how would you feel if they allocated room by skin colour?!?!" type of arguments. The WA group is a bit tumbleweed when they are ranting though, so the general mood is in agreement that the school found a good solution.

There's more to this, I believe. An Afghan charity site began one of its posts by stating that "Afghanistan is one of the most difficult countries in which to identify as a woman."

The context makes it clear that they meant "being a woman". So in order for those who want to identify as something they are not, everyone who actually IS that thing must also call being that thing 'identifying as' that thing. Otherwise it doesn't work.

And that's why we are forced to be 'cis'.

Woke will eat itself.

Quite simply, identifying as something means you are not that thing but want everyone else to pretend you are.

What does 'to identify as' really mean? I could identify as a knowledgeable bird-fancier to my friends as I have begun to learn more about them for the last couple of years, but I would never go to expert bird-fanciers' groups and tell them that I am someone on their level of knowledge when I am not.

They would see through my presumed identity as not matching facts. My friends know that I'm actually not a bird-fancier, but now interested in and learning about them, so they interpret my identity claim more kindly, as they would interpret most similar claims which don't damage others or me kindly.

The gender identity ideology if it included being an expert bird-fancier as a gender would argue that everyone in the whole world should take my bird-fancier self-identity as a fact, or at least pretend to take it as a fact.

This is what they are doing for gender identities, and because most people do know this difference in how we treat 'identity' in different contexts, they try to make it impossibly punitive not to obey them.

So outside circles of friends, 'identity', for it to have relevance, must have some external verification. If you identify as a Norwegian, then you should know quite a bit about Norway, you should have lived there or if not that, then to have had at least one Norwegian parent.

And clearly we can't identify as neurosurgeons if we have no qualifications in that field, because the consequences for others are so severe.

If I apply this test (existence of facts to support the identities) to gender identities most of them fail it right away, and only a handful is left for closer scrutiny. (Note that this is not about replacing sex with gender identity, but about when to even take someone's assertion of an identity at all seriously, as a starting point to be interrogated further.)

Fetishes losing their allure as no element of being forbidden or crossing boundaries so what next?

unless first cousins have married first cousins.

argh, unless first cousins have children together. Married or not!

Anyway, back on topic: the boys around here never accepted the trans boys. Never. (Ages 10-16).

most of the transboys (if not all) have detransitioned. Luckily hormones and surgery was not involved. Maybe binders, but not more.

I remember a trans woman who asked for legal advice to gain access to the women's changing room. And then when he was successful, he asked for more advice because he wanted to try to force the women back in there as they had all changed into private changing rooms.

"I saw a tweet the other days where a transwomen was miffed when another transwoman was in the ladies toilets as it ‘spoilt the point’."

That reminded me of a cartoonist on Twitter, Tatsuya Ishida. They release a new 'episode' most days, these are from the 'Filters' storyline. There's a lot more of them, but these are the ones that 'spoilt the point' brought to mind. Enjoy!

I appear White. But I have ancestry from a lot of places, mainly Europe and Africa.
The father of my children mainly Europe and East-Asia ++.

What lane would you like me to stay in?
What lane would you like my children to stay in?

They have an Asian surname, they don’t look Asian. Some Asians have reacted not too well to that, but it is their name through their father’s side.

FWIW I have never «appropriated» any culture apart from where I was born and raised, but lived in the UK for many years before I happily moved back home where I belonged. Sadly that is not the same place some of my children feel they belong.

1/32 referred to great great great grandparents heritage. We all have 32 grandparents, unless first cousins have married first cousins. I don’t know all of mine that far back, but we are coastal people and ancestors are from all over the place. Maybe that is considered racist but that is how I was taught to track family History.

Would it be better to put it in percentages like dna ancestry test kits do?

Going really far back; I have Neanderthal mixed in with my Homo Sapiens dna. My children will also have at least Denisovan dna in addition.

I don’t actually give a toss which lane you think I should stay in.
And increasingly not if people find me racist for stating that there is only one human race, consisting of two sexes - woman and man.

Yes, I know of colonial History and the atrocities committed because of race Theory, social darwinism and eugenics.

Neither of them are safe. I'm wondering how the school is justifying this, hopefully they are saying "you parents are bananas, we are keeping your daughters safe thankyouverymuch".

I completely agree.

Sports would ultimately be divided into i) mens and ii) mens with temporarily reduced testosterone.
Women would be out of any sport requiring strength or speed.