Neil Kinnock's daughter in law's concerns about non-binary child's masectomy

"Denmark's first woman prime minister" has been relegated to "Neil Kinnock's daughter in law"

I was a bit surprised to discover that his daughter in law is Denmark's prime minister, but then I think that's mainly their way of making the story relevant to the UK and the Labour Party in particular.

Honestly, I have sympathy with Thorning-Schmidt and the Kinnocks. The same toxic social media that promotes trans/NB also heavily promotes children going NC with families who express any doubts about transition. I actually think Thorning-Schmidt is being quite brave to admit to having any doubts at all.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8412429/

"Testosterone has teratogenic effects; specifically it can cause abnormal urogenital development in a female fetus. Therefore, testosterone should not be used while attempting conception or during pregnancy."

"Swimming is probably 70 per cent of the reason why I got this surgery,' he said,"

Thanks for the mansplaining @Mark19735

Women are just all round failures aren't they? Can't even get feminism right without a man in charge.

Sad that Milo, like Right-wing Conservatives, thinks that one's gender identity is linked to what body they have.

@Mark19735 I, like many on here, am a former Labour party member, and a British voter, not Danish. The headline doesn't mention Kinnock's son either - you know, the current Labour MP, and a man. The most immediate aspect of this story to UK voters is the connection to the former Labour Party leader here in the UK.

I’d be more worried about the effect on the baby of the mother previously taking male sex hormones at levels not normal for a female body.

look at the effect alcohol has on a foetus. Look at the effect male hormones had on East German female athletes in the 1980s.

Im surprised the ex politician thought the issue of breastfeeding was most important.

in the bigger picture breastfeeding surely is only a small part of being a mother. So many mothers have had guilt and stress over breastfeeding.

I meant the op of that post, not THE OP.

I'd say Nicola Sturgeon is saying fuck a lot at the moment. Probably aot of travel irons flying around too 😁

This also applies in other situations, eg Liz Kendall MP has had a baby via surrogacy and this informs many of her associate MP's attitudes to surrogacy.

Particularly pertinent as the Law Commission have recently confirmed that they will be publishing their report on the surrogacy law consultation of 2019 along with a draft bill for parliament on Wednesday March 29th. Look out for it.

How novel to have a man coming on here to put us women right. That must be the first time ever on MN. My humble thanks. (extreme sarcasm)

I'm assuming you are a man op.

I think this is someone new to feminism - and so is still in the performative stage. And saying " fuck" a lot shows just how angry you are.

Neil Kinnock's daughter in law means something to us Brits (it's a UK site used by people from all around the World, but largely the UK). I assume that's why it's in the title rather than anything else. It's context, not a conspiracy.

Quite a few FtM have babies eg Freddie McConnell - I assume they stop testosterone for the duration to avoid potential harm to the baby but I think there are cases where the young woman didn't realise she could get pregnant as she thought she was a man.

Then there are detransitioners.

This is n excellent paper discussing a particular case of a woman who detransitioned and was devastated that she couldn't breastfeed, as well as having to navigate unhelpful and judgemental healthcare.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2023.1073053/full

Many of us are actually ex Labour party members. So give your head a wobble.

There's no need to use abusive language. The OP was merely flagging a UK connection.

Nothing wrong with being gender critical and to be frank Labour would want to wake up on this issue.

I write from Scotland where today Nicola Sturgeon is waking up to a career and party in tatters and an electorate voting accordingly.

To be fair it’s a British newspaper so clearly they’ll go with the British connection ( Neil kinnock) rather than the danish one ( former danish pm)
but I get your general point mark.

I suggest you are looking for offence. And the berating, angry tone achieves nothing.

I think most of us don't require instruction on the ways in which women have been marginalised and oppressed. We know it intimately.

The main topic is the removal of the breasts of healthy young women, and that is what is being focused upon. What do you have to say about that issue?

We are all women ( well, most). Wheth you use the label 'feminist' or not is irrelevant. Feminism means differnt things to differnt people. To me it simply means paying attention to, and to listening to women's voices and experiences, and thinking they matter.

To be fair to the OP this was how the Daily Fail couched the story but it is crap that Helle is reduced to being Neil Kinnock’s DIL.

As for the rest it’s just rather sad!

I agree that this explains labour’s mixed messages position on this. Pressure not just from labour members but labour mp’s and former grandees.
it worries me that labour policy makers may well be influenced like this. You have to look at bigger picture and wider society and not be influenced by personal stories when making policy.

What a complete FAIL of feminism this thread is.

Read the fucking title out loud and have a word with yourselves.

"Denmark's first woman prime minister" has been relegated to "Neil Kinnock's daughter in law" and the person who actually had the mastectomy - is relegated to being the accessory of a political family.

And all those of you posting who didn't pick it up - shame on you.

Your GC views and anti-Labour mindset are your prerogative. But you are not feminists.

Scars have become a symbol if identity - in the same way that tatoos have.
It's really quite disturbing that self harm has become such an open and public badge of belonging.

I know girls have always ( well, as long as the internet has been around) used pro-ana websites and other self harm sites as a way of finding their tribe - though now these acts of self harm and self hatred are validated by responsibile adults and even by the NHS.

I disagree completely! Breasts are an erogenous zone. They can give immense pleasure. There are women who can reach orgasm from nipple stimulation alone.

I think it is tremendously sad that young women, girls even, are getting their breasts removed before they even have chance to experience fully what they might be capable of.

I suspect the reason that so many politicians - of all colour - are so invested in this is because they have young family members who have been caught up in the gender craze.