Residential trips

The phrase that is needed for discrimination against people with a protected characteristic is "proportionate means to a legitimate aim".
So, saying that girls and boys must have separate sleeping accommodation is treating them differently, and is a proportionate means (they have accommodation of equal quality, so there is no real difference except that they may prefer the other bedroom) to a legitimate aim (safeguarding).
The boy who identifies as trans and is given a separate room does have the characteristic of gender reassignment and is being treated differently to the other boys but that's in some ways his choice. He may prefer to share with other children but treating him differently is easily shown to be proportionate (he still gets to go on the trip) and has a legitimate aim (privacy and safeguarding of the girls, which was the original aim of single sex accommodation anyway).
The boy is free to have the same treatment as other boys of course.

So, boys ARE treated differently to girls which could be seen as sex discrimination but the means and the aim are both fine so it's OK.

Haven't RTFT but wanted to agree strongly. There is nothing at all preventing this child from sharing with others of the same sex except preference. Privacy and dignity are not an issue as they all have the same type of body and this child has not had any surgery.

Good on you for not backing down, OP. (Or not so far, at least! Still got several pages of comments to read...)

If you think about it @Return2thebasic trans people have the same rights as the rest of society. What they want is additional rights - the right to remove single sex rights from others. The right to force society to change our language, facts and science to comply with their personal beliefs.

There is a vulnerable group - and that's all the children who have been groomed to believe their growing bodies are wrong and need fixing with drugs and surgery. They are the ones who need our attention.

There are genuine trans-people who are most vulnerable in the society

This is completely untrue. They are the most protected class in the UK. More rights than everyone else because of the magic word trans.

"There are genuine trans-people who are most vulnerable in the society."

*citation needed

What makes any trans-person more vulnerable than disabled people, elderly people or children?

How can any trans people possibly be most vulnerable in society?

There are genuine trans-people who are most vulnerable in the society. But the solution is not to throw children/women's rights under the bus.

And what's happening at the moment makes a lot people less sympathetic to trans than otherwise. I would love they have their own rights, but what's been pushed so hard by all those lobbying group and the local authorities are just so wrong.

That's how mad the world has become.

AND:
If you express this in RL, you and your family would be =
cancelled/ boycotted by everyone around + (receiving life threats - police support).

So not only had this boy said he was a girl, and had sex with a girl in their shared dormitory, but he was doing it while another girl was present??
And we are accused of saying trans children are predators. FFS.

@Nimbostratus100 so one poor decision ruined it for generations of children, and let to one child having to go through something they will carry for the rest of their life. That poor girl should have been protected.

It was in a hobby setting, not a school setting, but a trip away was organised, the transgirl was accepted into a female room, all parents happy, all girls supposedly happy, he was caught in the act of sex with one of the girls, when another girl in the room got frightened and went to get a member of staff, both children were immediately sent home, and the girl later had an abortion.

Major upset for everybody, and the club has now said no more trips away, ever, and this club had been arranging residential trips away for decades.

What makes it more likely (than any other random male student) that this transgirl is going to be the target of sexual harassment from other boys on the trip? Even if he presents convincingly, he’s still male bodied and his classmates know it.

There’s a chance he may be bullied, because he’s ‘different,’ but I wouldn’t say he’s more likely to be a victim than (for instance) an outwardly gay pupil and I don’t suppose anyone’s advocating that they’re accommodated any differently?

I remember a primary trip where we had to put 3 same sexed names down to room with. They tried to make sure you'd be with at least one of those kids.
Let them do it anonymously so nobody knows who has put down who.
Then start with the trans kid, he'll put down who is least likely to bully him, and see if you can make that work.

Op it is hard and you are being put in an impossible position. But ultimately it really isn't right in any way for a boy to wriggle his way into the girls room or vice versa.

The precedent has to be set male / female, regardless of skirts, dresses, jeans, pink leggings, kilt, regardless of sexual orientation it Sex is the only thing that matters.

Stick with the scientific facts or sooner or later an Isla will come along and pull you down. If he could pull Nicola down they can pull anyone down.

A room with him and other boys who he picks is probably the best answer minimising the bullying risk. I was thinking single room but I can also see that being abused, far too easy for a girl to slip in there - 2 become 3!

If a mixed scout troop are sleeping in a hall, they are allowed to use tents to separate boys and girls. If that's an option in the boys dorm.

I do think this thread brings up a side topic which isn't being discussed - the privacy, dignity and safety of the boy / trans-girl. Possibly his parents are mainly concerned with this rather than the validation of his identity (which does not excuse throwing girls under the bus).

I do not for a second feel he should be in with the girls, but is he at risk of bullying, harassment, physical or sexual assault if in with the boys? I'd imagine there are problems for his dignity at the very least.

A single room seems the most sensible solution but also does not go far enough to keep him safe unless he has a male friend to share with.

Ideally you'd have several trans girls who can all bunk together. We're going to need at least 4 room designations soon.

This madness needs to stop.

I have been on many trips and female staff have been allowed to do bed checks and morning rounds too.
I have had students share with just one friend and also had to share a room with one student and another staff member for very complex reasons.
Also had a transgender student who was offered a single room as we don't allow mixed sex rooms on trips.

Well done OP, you are a shining example of teachers who genuinely care for their pupils.

I hope you can get school to see sense but I feel that if they don't you'll be able to make sure this trip does not proceed.

God how awful that primary school children have been accommodated according to gender on residential trips.

How confusing for those children to be affirmed in that way only to find it's all a lie and they are not really the opposite sex. Because they will find out. It's setting these children up to be entitled adults who will think they've got the right to trample all over women.

You may be in a position where you have to tell the child in question that they are not permitted to sleep with females, due to risk. And that they are not permitted to sleep alone, due to risk.

Therefore their choices are to sleep in a room with other members of their own sex, or choose not to come.

I suppose to offer them an alternative might be to offer them a room with one male friend, if they don't want to share a room with multiple other males.

Point out that sleeping arrangements are segregated by sex. Not by gender.

This child may be trans-gender, but they are of the male sex.

They do not have a certificate to prove their transgenderism (GRC), nor any surgery (obviously).

By placing a person of the male sex, with persons of the female sex, you then have the risk of underage sex/pregnancy.

The only way to minimise this risk is to not allow anyone of the male sex to sleep with anypne of the female sex.

(DURHHHH)

The site you give cannot be accessed in the UK by the looks of it.