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Biological knowledge

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BlooDeBloop · 18/03/2023 11:10

I know this is not a biggie compared with all the trans business going on for our children in schools at the moment (not to mention elsewhere) but as a biologist, I was taken with a minor note in Hannah Barnes' excellent Time to Think. Clinicians reported some children accessing cross sex hormones thought they would start making sperm/developing uteruses of the opposite sex once on the hormones. I find this level of biological understanding shocking especially in children who were seeking to 'realign' themselves. How could they not understand the basic biology having clearly spent so long thinking about and researching sex and gender?? The mind boggles.

Add this to the recent primary school poster thread where there is a deliberate, biologically illiterate attempt from No Outsiders to replace 'sex' with 'gender' to make it easier to discuss 'gender reassignment' later.

What is happening in biology lessons? How is it being taught? Are we going to see a generation of kids not knowing that females make eggs and get pregnant and that no male, however they present, whatever they do to their bodies, will ever give birth??

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Zodfa · 18/03/2023 20:27

Don't blame the kids, I could see how you might possibly reach this misunderstanding based on what is taught in school. Blame the adults who peddle this stuff as fact. I think it was just yesterday I saw a Twitter thread arguing seriously and confidently that sex is just a function of hormones.

raspberrywine · 18/03/2023 20:04

Is it case that once they decide to go down the route of thinking they are the opposite gender, some turn blind and deaf to anything biological related. And if they are young, they are likely to have unrealistic expectations.

AlisonDonut · 18/03/2023 19:52

Did I see that one teen was given puberty blockers because s/he thought s/he was a different race than s/he was?

I just wonder what the fuck those doctors thought they were trying to treat. I'm sure we will find out in court one day.

nepeta · 18/03/2023 19:50

Tinysoxxx · 18/03/2023 19:40

I am an ex biology teacher and used to teach all the sex-Ed. I can well believe these stories. It is quite frightening how little adults understand too. I would love to do a survey on what politicians understand about biology. All this spouting about ‘a woman is not just a person with a cervix’. I very much expect they would have no idea what or where a cervix is. I am desperate for a journalist to actually call this out.

Agreed. The Canadian Cancer Society/Association recently discussed cervical cancer screening for those transwomen who had had genital surgery, as if the neo-vagina might also include a neo-cervix.

But the lack of knowledge is much wider than just in this area. I have seen men and boys assume that women urinate from their vaginas, for instance.

When I was at school we were taught sex education twice, in age-appropriate stages (before the onset of puberty and a couple of years later), but both of those included clear pictures of what is inside the pelvis in male and female people, and there were basic quizzes afterwards which the teacher graded, including such questions as what the foreskin does, what the clitoris is, where the prostate is located etc. These were sex-segregated sessions, by the way.

Harping0n · 18/03/2023 19:46

You’d be surprised how many kids (teenagers as well) think that if they want something enough it will happen. I’m sure this is the case in many of these situations. This can apply with many different scenarios

Tinysoxxx · 18/03/2023 19:40

I am an ex biology teacher and used to teach all the sex-Ed. I can well believe these stories. It is quite frightening how little adults understand too. I would love to do a survey on what politicians understand about biology. All this spouting about ‘a woman is not just a person with a cervix’. I very much expect they would have no idea what or where a cervix is. I am desperate for a journalist to actually call this out.

EpicChaos · 18/03/2023 19:37

The ignorance is shocking, isn't it?! @BlooDeBloop
As @Shelefttheweb quite rightly asks, how can children possibly consent if they don't understand the full implications of their treatment. They can't, can they, which imo, makes all of this, even more evil imo.

@nepeta " I read about a young woman who had detransitioned after having her breasts removed who supposedly inquired if/when her breasts would grow back "

Yes, i've heard similar, they seem to think that because boys taking oestrogen seem to grow something akin to breasts, that if they start taking oeastrogen again, their own will grow back exactly the same as they were previously, milk ducts included.
The ideologues and zealots have an awful lot to answer for and i hope that their day of reckoning is very close, yesterday even.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/03/2023 19:30

When leading politicians, media stars and numerous politicians tell the population that transwomen are women and people can change sex, it's not surprising that children believe them.
How on earth we expect teachers to counter fools like Starmer, the BBC and political groups like Stonewall sitting in children's schools I can't imagine.

nepeta · 18/03/2023 19:15

I read about a young woman who had detransitioned after having her breasts removed who supposedly inquired if/when her breasts would grow back.

The discussion of sex within the transgender debates in social media reveals abominable lack of biological knowledge by many, though some probably know the facts but pretend otherwise for propaganda reasons.

This may be due to such things as some popular science journals publishing opinion pieces on how gender is a spectrum, and perhaps sex is a spectrum, too, and might even be socially constructed entirely, without offering others space to explain why those opinions are incorrect.

But some of it must be due to what's happening in schools, and that part will get much worse in the future, what with the gingerbread person etc. being included in many schools' gender education.

Oddly enough, I have now read two different transgender women argue that they are almost entirely biologically female because female hormones will transform every part of their bodies (with the possible exception of their bones) into female ones over a period of some years. They appear to believe this.

That nobody argues back (perhaps for reasons of kindness) will allow these beliefs to become more generally supported. The assertion that transwomen also menstruate, except for the bit about shedding the uterine lining, has become much more common because it wasn't addressed much earlier.

Shelefttheweb · 18/03/2023 11:27

reported some children accessing cross sex hormones thought they would start making sperm/developing uteruses of the opposite sex once on the hormones.

How can children who are accessing CSH have consented if they thought this?

BlooDeBloop · 18/03/2023 11:20

A woman on radio 4 yesterday said kids accessing porn online shops be described as 'non-contact child abuse'. I wonder if these online trans radicals should have the same label applied to them?

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Buffypaws · 18/03/2023 11:13

i suspect their research involves going on Reddit and getting groomed and there are definitely weirdos on there saying utter rubbish eg males getting periods

Buffypaws · 18/03/2023 11:12

I doubt the ins and outs of “sex change operations” are covered in school but presumably if we are going to tout the idea you can change sex then children are going to assume it means more than just carving a bit of your arm off, rolling it up and seeing it to your pelvis. I remember as a kid in the 90s finding out Hayley cropper couldn’t have her own kids and realising they didn’t do a real sex change. I was a bit surprised.

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