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Tanya Carter from SSA live on Radio4 at noon today #RSEdebate

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 09:48

Tune in the BBC Radio 4's Anti Social programme at noon today to hear our spokeswoman Tanya Carter discuss the #RSEDebate with Sophie Whitehead from the School of Sexuality Education.

She will be discussing topics such as how to protect girls in schools from sexual harassment and whether modelling genitals out of play doh helps. She will be talking about the importance of putting #safeguarding at the heart of all school policies and how this is particularly important for RSE. She will hopefully be discussing some of the examples that have been shared with us by parents and teachers and explaining why they contravene safeguarding frameworks, government guidance, and the law.

This is what we have previously written about SoSE:
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/02/05/the-school-of-sexuality-education/

We hope to also be able to discuss this book as whilst the topic of tomorrow’s debate is explicit sex education and not gender identity ideology in schools, there is very much crossover between the two subjects.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/03/05/inclusive-teenage-guide-to-sex-and-relationships-a-review/

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3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:17

Yes flowers agree completely. My daughter is that age and I don't want porn (bearing in mind as pointed out so much of this is not consensual and peddles an abusive narrative) being normalised.

Thankyou so much to Tanya and your organisation for making a stand about this.

3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:15

I really don't think the radio was clear on how far from mainstream these people are.

3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:14

Bloody hell at the dice game. She said specific sex acts seen in porn weren't being discussed but more "were all bodies represented in porn" type questions. (Even that I have an issue with - its completely presuming all 14 yr olds are regularly watching porn in order to have an opinion on this. And normalising it which is dangerous. )

And that family sex show!!! I didn't realise it was the same people. They should be banned from working with children.

They sidestepped the safeguarding issue by saying they had great training and were....

LittleFingerStrength · 17/03/2023 13:14

Flowersinmai · 17/03/2023 13:13

Good for parents to know that Sophie has no problem with porn and children seeing it.
And a complete lack of understanding about that lack of power a child who is shy/embarrassed/not developmentally ready to hear the content being shared. It’s not that simple for a child in a classroom to say I don’t want to listen to this.

Thanks to the BBC and SSA, this has now been exposed.

Flowersinmai · 17/03/2023 13:13

Tanya you did really well. Thank you.

Flowersinmai · 17/03/2023 13:13

Good for parents to know that Sophie has no problem with porn and children seeing it.
And a complete lack of understanding about that lack of power a child who is shy/embarrassed/not developmentally ready to hear the content being shared. It’s not that simple for a child in a classroom to say I don’t want to listen to this.

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 13:11

Zeugma · 17/03/2023 13:08

Weren’t the School of Sexuality Education also linked somehow to the infamous Family Sex Show?

Yes they were. Here are our pieces on them:

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/03/05/inclusive-teenage-guide-to-sex-and-relationships-a-review/

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/02/05/the-school-of-sexuality-education/

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EspeciallyDedicated · 17/03/2023 13:10

Sophie came across well on a superficial level, well spoken, no hesitation, answer for everything but she didn’t really answer the questions, just kept repeating the fact that “they take safeguarding and safe recruitment seriously”. I think Tanya’s point that it is far better for RSE to be undertaken by familiar teachers who know the pupils is really important, it shouldn’t just be someone who turns up, delivers and leaves again, as Sophie said, they are in a different school every day. I also disagree with the argument that parents can’t have copies of the material because of copyright, agreeing to meet one person and show them the slides is in no way a replacement for copies being made available to all. It really can’t be that hard to deliver them in some sort of format that can’t easily be copied (time limited access, watermarking, I’m no expert).

happydappy2 · 17/03/2023 13:09

So Tanya couldn't speak freely? That is appalling-I liked how she said safeguarding children is everyones responsibility-it's so true.

Zeugma · 17/03/2023 13:08

Weren’t the School of Sexuality Education also linked somehow to the infamous Family Sex Show?

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 13:08

NorthernSowls · 17/03/2023 12:51

Sophie Whitehead is coming across like a simpering, disingenuous numpty. Sidestepping.

This did make me laugh!

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nauticant · 17/03/2023 13:07

Adam Fleming was running to programme within very tight parameters happydappy2 and would have shut that down even harder than he did when Tanya tried to raise other "outside parameters" aspects.

3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:04

Yes the "political language" was referenced but not explained.

3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:03

What's the dice game?

I think a lot was left out to make them seem more mainstream than they are.

happydappy2 · 17/03/2023 13:03

Perhaps Tanya could have asked directly why School of sexuality are teaching nonsense, rather than just alluding to things. No disrespect meant.

nauticant · 17/03/2023 13:02

One problem that didn't come out in the programme is the SoSE is part of the crowbar that's letting in stuff like the infamous Dice Game but then, as we heard on the programme, when she's asked about it she can go "nothing to do with me guv".

3littlebeans · 17/03/2023 13:00

Just been listening to this amd came on to see if there was a thread!

Interesting they tried to make it all about things that we agree are good "consent" etc and make out that the criticism is just that under 16s shouldn't be having sex rather than the real issues.

AlliwantforChristmasisgu · 17/03/2023 12:59

I think Sophie came across well to someone coming to this cold. Her line was essentially ‘protect children by giving them knowledge’ as far as I could tell.

it is difficult as this topic covers such a wide range of issues from ‘should children be taught gender identity as fact’ to ‘how much should you teach children of a given age about sex and sexual pleasure’.

Birdsweepsin · 17/03/2023 12:58

Well done Tanya! 👏

Flowersinmai · 17/03/2023 12:58

Also worth looking at the sponsors of school for sex ed. Some companies to avoid there

Zeugma · 17/03/2023 12:56

Listening now. Tanya has been cut off more than once. Not so the other guest, who seems to have been given more time to speak. Hmm.

Flowersinmai · 17/03/2023 12:53

Looking at the approach page of the School of sex Ed the are very political - decolonization and intersectionality.
Fascinating that Schools are still using them, despite these obvious biases.
I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my child’s.

NorthernSowls · 17/03/2023 12:51

Sophie Whitehead is coming across like a simpering, disingenuous numpty. Sidestepping.

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 12:50

happydappy2 · 17/03/2023 12:48

On school of sexualitys website-they have a quote from a child saying-I really like how the workshop remained inclusive, and it was acknowledged that not all people with boobs/vaginas are female, or that penis=male.

This doesn't seem scientifically accurate to me.....

It isn't this was the politically motivated language that tanya alluded to.

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