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Tanya Carter from SSA live on Radio4 at noon today #RSEdebate

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2fallsfromSSA · 17/03/2023 09:48

Tune in the BBC Radio 4's Anti Social programme at noon today to hear our spokeswoman Tanya Carter discuss the #RSEDebate with Sophie Whitehead from the School of Sexuality Education.

She will be discussing topics such as how to protect girls in schools from sexual harassment and whether modelling genitals out of play doh helps. She will be talking about the importance of putting #safeguarding at the heart of all school policies and how this is particularly important for RSE. She will hopefully be discussing some of the examples that have been shared with us by parents and teachers and explaining why they contravene safeguarding frameworks, government guidance, and the law.

This is what we have previously written about SoSE:
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/02/05/the-school-of-sexuality-education/

We hope to also be able to discuss this book as whilst the topic of tomorrow’s debate is explicit sex education and not gender identity ideology in schools, there is very much crossover between the two subjects.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/03/05/inclusive-teenage-guide-to-sex-and-relationships-a-review/

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ResisterRex · 28/03/2023 10:38

Zeugma · 28/03/2023 10:34

And their answer is just to wave it away with '…..well, the kids are doing it anyway so how can you stop them…' Exactly the same argument as with porn. ‘They’re going to see it anyway so we can’t stop it.' A counsel of despair.

Yes. And can you imagine that in other areas of the curriculum?

"Well they're gonna play with chemicals anyway so..."

"Well they're gonna use a sliding saw anyway so..."

It simply would not wash. No one would accept it.

Zeugma · 28/03/2023 10:34

And their answer is just to wave it away with '…..well, the kids are doing it anyway so how can you stop them…' Exactly the same argument as with porn. ‘They’re going to see it anyway so we can’t stop it.' A counsel of despair.

borntobequiet · 28/03/2023 05:47

I expect that quite a lot of listeners don’t think that a 13 yo can consent meaningfully to sex. I wonder what their email inbox is actually like.

SinnerBoy · 28/03/2023 02:11

I can't believe that she honestly believes that 13 year olds can consent meaningfully to sex. She also doesn't seem to know that gender isn't sex.

FrancescaContini · 27/03/2023 18:38

This thread and especially some of the links added are eye opening 🤬

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 18:22

Here is our response to Sophie's thread which talks about the "perceived innocence of children". twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1640345385196478471?s=20

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ResisterRex · 27/03/2023 18:13

Any adult pushing for child led sex education needs steering well clear of.

WarriorN · 27/03/2023 18:09

Safeguarding is not child led.

It's led by adults who recognise what is harmful to children's physical and mental health.

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 11:36

Yes Rambling, nothing else in schools is child led? Why are we allowing sex education to be child led, particularly by children who have already been possibly exposed to non contact child abuse, which is what porn is to under 18s

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Ramblingnamechanger · 27/03/2023 11:03

Is there a thing generally in schools/ education where subjects are led by the children, which is what Dr Sophie was advocating. Tania was clear that the dangers of porn should be pointed out . Gender ideology was tiptoes around as always.

nauticant · 27/03/2023 10:02

Oh, interesting, the whole programme today is devoted to RSE in schools.

ArabellaScott · 27/03/2023 09:11

Great, will try to tune in.

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2fallsfromSSA · 27/03/2023 09:10

Just dropping in to say Tanya will be on Woman's hour this morning

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Melroses · 19/03/2023 22:45

There is a crowd funder with a message saying that this decision is being appealed.

The appeal is due around now - crowdfund message says Feb/Mar.

SinnerBoy · 19/03/2023 22:30

Melroses · Today 14:52

It is quite possible that Ms. Deen taught my daughter, but the school, the SSE and even the ICO have all refused to tell me who was in the classroom. They say the privacy of a teacher outweighs the public interest to know who is teaching our children.

That's palpable nonsense, a lie if you will. My daughter started middle school in September and we received emails with the name of her class tutor and subject teachers, with a link to the school website. The website has teacher biographies, along with a precis of the subjects they will be learning.

At her previous school, they had an artist come in and the school took the trouble to say that she'd been full DRB checked. If they do that for an elderly female artist, why do they not for an apparently badly qualified person teaching sex practices to 11 & 12 year olds?

And as a PP said, schools can't just tell you that safeguarding checks have been done and then deny access to the report.

crosstalk · 19/03/2023 21:56

Having listened to half the R4 show, one of the things that struck me was the elderly professor who said his role was to make children understand the consequences of sex after the explosion of sexually transmitted diseases after WW2 including gonorrhea and syphilis. Which spreads to those who don't know you've got either - Randolph Churchill infected his wife and went mad. I had one young friend who didn't understand anal then vaginal sex could end up with life long cystitis. And a gay friend who was buggered so much he is now in nappies. Perhaps the sex educationists could explain that while a lot of sex is pleasurable, there are reasons why you need to take care.

dimorphism · 19/03/2023 20:47

That research paper! At one point she explicitly says they're looking at ways to sneak things into the curriculum!

She doesn't understand the difference - in either reality or law - between adults and children. She doesn't understand safeguarding.

The thing about the dick pics is clear abuse.

She should be nowhere near children and especially not teaching RSE

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2023 18:55

dimorphism · 19/03/2023 17:37

Also it's anti safeguarding to just insist appropriate safeguarding took place. There should have been an investigation. This mother was raising a safeguarding concern, just blocking and shutting that down and essentially just saying 'trust US' is a safeguarding failure in itself

Why the hell aren't Ofsted involved?

Think you'll find Ofsted were in thrall to Stonewall until very recently. According to Sex Matters it was revealed that "Stonewall encouraged it to threaten primary schools with the prospect of low ratings if they did not ensure that all children were aware of “sexual orientation and gender reassignment” by the time they moved on to secondary school".

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/leaving-stonewall/

That's how political activists work to enforce their preferred ideas on society.

dimorphism · 19/03/2023 17:37

Also it's anti safeguarding to just insist appropriate safeguarding took place. There should have been an investigation. This mother was raising a safeguarding concern, just blocking and shutting that down and essentially just saying 'trust US' is a safeguarding failure in itself

Why the hell aren't Ofsted involved?

dimorphism · 19/03/2023 17:33

Melroses · 19/03/2023 14:52

twitter.com/NoSecretLessons/status/1637409000219131904

It is quite possible that Ms. Deen taught my daughter, but the school, the SSE and even the ICO have all refused to tell me who was in the classroom. They say the privacy of a teacher outweighs the public interest to know who is teaching our children.

This is worrying. Surely this is information that should have been given upfront to the school, and by the school.

This seems like an important case, though I'm not clear what's going on with it given the last update was last November (which said the appeal would be heard now-ish)

This is what peaked me with the BBC originally. They did a very one-sided puff piece on Radio 4 about a woman that was bringing her 4 yo boy up as a girl. No discussion afterwards. A few days later, news broke of a court case where a man had gained custody in the Family Courts of a child he had been cut off from by the mother who was bringing him up as a girl with the advice of Mermaids. She had withdrawn the child from two schools and was no longer working with SS. The court case is a difficult read but is the banal everyday reality of this ideology. No-one is magically born in the wrong body or with a different brain to their sex.

Does Miss Deen or whomever did the lesson have Qualified Teacher Status?

Did they hold an enhanced DBS as teachers need to have? Do they complete safeguarding training covering the latest KCSIE yearly? If not, why the hell are they teaching kids one of the most sensitive subjects there is?

Melroses · 19/03/2023 16:15
birchtreeglow · 19/03/2023 15:25

@dimorphism Thanks. I've donated too. A Mother's Day gift from one mum to another.

Melroses · 19/03/2023 14:52

twitter.com/NoSecretLessons/status/1637409000219131904

It is quite possible that Ms. Deen taught my daughter, but the school, the SSE and even the ICO have all refused to tell me who was in the classroom. They say the privacy of a teacher outweighs the public interest to know who is teaching our children.

This is worrying. Surely this is information that should have been given upfront to the school, and by the school.

This seems like an important case, though I'm not clear what's going on with it given the last update was last November (which said the appeal would be heard now-ish)

This is what peaked me with the BBC originally. They did a very one-sided puff piece on Radio 4 about a woman that was bringing her 4 yo boy up as a girl. No discussion afterwards. A few days later, news broke of a court case where a man had gained custody in the Family Courts of a child he had been cut off from by the mother who was bringing him up as a girl with the advice of Mermaids. She had withdrawn the child from two schools and was no longer working with SS. The court case is a difficult read but is the banal everyday reality of this ideology. No-one is magically born in the wrong body or with a different brain to their sex.

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 12:25

2fallsfromSSA · 19/03/2023 08:00

I was coming here to post the no secret lessons thread about SOSE but see you are already talking about it. The whole thread is illuminating.

However I'd like to draw your attention to the fact a BBC journalist working in the today programme is a trustee of SOSE!

twitter.com/NoSecretLessons/status/1637215766972977153?s=20

a BBC journalist working in the today programme is a trustee of SOSE!

Holy what, now? Shock