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Graham Linehan interview in The Times (17 March 2023)

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IwantToRetire · 17/03/2023 01:42

From both ends of the trans debate, I am told his interventions are “counterproductive”, “a net bad” and “unhinged”. Some gender-critical women — that is, women who agree with him — believe he craves attention, martyrdom and leadership of a movement whose fight is not even his. One mentions that he was once pro-porn and sex work, which he admits to being before “talking to feminists” changed his mind. Over on the other side of the battle lines, an activist dismisses him as a fringe character full of hot air. None of these people is prepared, however, to go on the record, mostly saying they fear he will retaliate in his customary style.

There is one admirable exception. She is Kathleen Stock, the radical feminist philosopher who resigned from the University of Sussex in 2021 after a campaign by “queer, trans and non-binary” students who wanted her fired. “Graham and I have clashed in the past,” she says, “and we probably aren’t each other’s favourite people. But I think it’s fair to say he’s genuinely committed to fighting what he believes is a woman-harming and child-harming ideology (and I agree with him on that); and he talks to some demographics — particularly ordinary blokes, who don’t really care so much about niceties of language and aren’t put off by his sometimes bludgeoning style — that others don’t necessarily reach.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/broke-shunned-and-cancelled-father-ted-creator-graham-linehan-and-the-trans-debate-cgv8gqpjk

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 30/07/2023 12:03

Graham is correct of course, the interviewer obviously no idea what it's like to be constantly targeted and harassed by trans activists and so Graham's 'tone' may seem unreasonable to him, but that is because he is searching for a reason for the cancellation when in reality there isn't one.
The fact he keeps going on about feminists who don't like the way Graham 'conducts the debate' is also directed at Kelly J Keen, I can't imagine any public figure who has the support of absolutely everyone, but he is definitely supported by the majority.

anyolddinosaur · 25/03/2023 08:45

Also extended the timing so I can donate again next month. Maya also still hoping for a bit of extra veg.

TheBea · 22/03/2023 19:58

He's had to increase his target to £150K, so I'm sure he'd appreciate a little more digging ladies.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/03/2023 20:22

Talk to Hadley Freeman, next time, Glinner.

Absolutely! I see Glinner has exceeded the target and is currently at £102,726. 😁

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/03/2023 19:41

He's a brave man.
iirc he has said he doesn't get any payment for the Father Ted repeats.

anyolddinosaur · 21/03/2023 17:53

Currently watching the IT crowd on Netflix in the hope that helps support him. Not really my type of humour and the "it doesnt work because it's made in Britain" is annoying me but I'll keep watching.

Glad the crowd funder has exceeded its target, now for the stretch target.

Queenofscones · 21/03/2023 16:29

I had massive respect for Graham for putting himself on the line and continuing to do so, week after week, taking all the flack. He's suffered badly and kept going. When I met him at a rally he had no need to attend and which cost him a day of his time and hard cash for train fares, he was friendly, he listened and he was as stressed and troubled as any of us would be, facing what he's facing. He's a one-off and a creative and he goes off bang, but he sees what's going on and has the guts to call it out. I will be forever grateful to him for that.

Andrew Billen's article was snide and grudging, desperate not to say anything too positive about Glinner. I bet he's got the writing envy. He knows he's just a hack and Glinner has both the integrity he lacks and the writing ability he dreams of.

Talk to Hadley Freeman, next time, Glinner.

ditalini · 21/03/2023 15:47

Less than £250 to go now - one last dig needed!

Righthandcider · 21/03/2023 14:38

Spidergloves · 21/03/2023 14:33

Good Lord I must be blind 😂

In fairness I had to do the sum several times to make sure it wasn't me!

Spidergloves · 21/03/2023 14:33

Good Lord I must be blind 😂

Righthandcider · 21/03/2023 14:31

Looks like it's £915 to go still.

Spidergloves · 21/03/2023 14:04

Just £20 to go now.

Righthandcider · 21/03/2023 12:17

Just added a radish. Only £1320 to go.

StripyShirt · 21/03/2023 11:53

Ah! Black Books is one of my favourite things ever 🙂. I only heard the Count on radio, however, so maybe the TV version was better.

Abhannmor · 21/03/2023 09:40

StripyShirt · 20/03/2023 20:34

Count Arthur Strong was unforgiveable, but his other work was fab and he seems like a good chap with a lot more to offer 🙂 He's also right and deserves support. Will donate something.....

I know he's Marmite but I love the Count.Ted and IT Crowd are brilliant. Black Books is good in parts but I couldn't really get into it.

Digging now.

GrimDamnFanjo · 21/03/2023 08:31

Just under £2k to go now.
What a relief.

TheMarzipanDildo · 20/03/2023 22:37

"I think the problematic "I said I'm from Iran" episode in the IT Crowd is super funny. Today, not acceptable. The same as how trans were portrayed in Ace Ventura."

We'll ignore the fact that the joke wasn't at the expense of the transwoman (in fact, it was sympathetic to them) but the boss bloke.

StripyShirt · 20/03/2023 20:34

Count Arthur Strong was unforgiveable, but his other work was fab and he seems like a good chap with a lot more to offer 🙂 He's also right and deserves support. Will donate something.....

ILikeDungs · 20/03/2023 20:09

Just put in a row of pak choi.

How about some parsley? Anyone?

wasteoffunds · 20/03/2023 14:39

anyolddinosaur · 20/03/2023 09:08

The garden is growing, more veg still needed.

I've donated twice already. Ignore my user name in this context.

TheBiologyStupid · 20/03/2023 14:17

anyolddinosaur · 20/03/2023 09:08

The garden is growing, more veg still needed.

Yes, less than 5k to go now. Nearly there...!

ScribblingPixie · 20/03/2023 11:05

He's publishing his material and people are paying subscriptions directly to him to read it, in the same way that a newspaper or magazine does. That's the smart thing to do, especially when businesses won't commission your work or pay only a pittance for it. It's something I'm seeing a lot from writers, and good for them. Why the fuck should they scrape a living when they're as talented and valuable as Linehan? He would have been earning way more before he got involved in this.

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 20/03/2023 09:39

Hear bloody hear @Righthandcider

Righthandcider · 20/03/2023 09:37

he is clearly obsessed with this debate, there is no doubt about that.

When I see words like 'obsessed' it sounds like an attempt to discredit him as a nutter, with an additional hint that he has some sort of puerile interest in all this. Don't listen to him, he's a lunatic. It's the same tactic used against women who don't believe TWAW and don't want them in women's spaces, or the people horrified about Wi Spa, who are apparently just 'obsessed' with other people's genitals.

He's not obsessed, he's dedicated. Like many other people who give all their time and energy to a cause they believe in and that frankly needs all the loud, influential voices it can get.

anyolddinosaur · 20/03/2023 09:08

The garden is growing, more veg still needed.