Humza Yousaf says TransWomen are Women Except When They're At It

IcakethereforeIam · 24/04/2023 15:19

Well! Man or woman? At the end of this clip......just throw all the pronouns 'at it'

https://twitter.com/Rachael2Win/status/1650454384503840769?s=20

Neil Gray beclowning himself.

It's disturbing that they can't seem to bring themselves to call a male rapist 'he', to say he's a man. Like it's some sort of blasphemy. Ffs, it isn't literal violence. Just practice saying it in front of a mirror.

https://twitter.com/Rachael2Win/status/1650454384503840769?s=20

SinnerBoy · 26/03/2023 07:36

Transitvanophobic!

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ArabellaScott · 25/03/2023 22:50

Oh I say.

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TheBiologyStupid · 25/03/2023 22:18

😂

ApocalipstickNow · 25/03/2023 21:01

Transitvanphopic.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 25/03/2023 20:58

WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2023 20:55

That was the original intent. But "gender reassignment" includes everyone regardless of the stage of transitioning they are in. Meaning they could just say that they are a woman but on a waiting list to see someone and technically that is enough.

The entire thing is just awfully put together.

They don't even have to be on a waiting list. Just say that they intend to change gender.

It's like making a law that the only people who can drive a vehicle on the public highway are those with a valid licence and also those who intend to get a licence.

And you can't ask to see their licence, because that would be vanphobic.

WallaceinAnderland · 25/03/2023 20:55

That was the original intent. But "gender reassignment" includes everyone regardless of the stage of transitioning they are in. Meaning they could just say that they are a woman but on a waiting list to see someone and technically that is enough.

The entire thing is just awfully put together.

They don't even have to be on a waiting list. Just say that they intend to change gender.

It's like making a law that the only people who can drive a vehicle on the public highway are those with a valid licence and also those who intend to get a licence.

OneMorePlant · 17/03/2023 14:53

Ingenieur · 17/03/2023 09:45

Well, the Equality Act still refers to transsexuals with regard to people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

I would say the intent was never for gender to be more than the "medical pathway", so the distinction you make is an important one.

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That was the original intent. But "gender reassignment" includes everyone regardless of the stage of transitioning they are in. Meaning they could just say that they are a woman but on a waiting list to see someone and technically that is enough.

The entire thing is just awfully put together.

JacquelinePot · 17/03/2023 13:47

Gah, sorry! Formatting made it look like you were quoting someone quoting him.

As you were

DuesToTheDirt · 17/03/2023 13:44

JacquelinePot · 17/03/2023 08:03

Sorry Dues, haven't rtft so not sure who you're quoting but seems a good time to point out for that pp:

The distinction they're making is between men pretending to be women and men pretending to be men pretending to be women.

When you realise that, it becomes very clear.

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The quote was from Humza, in the clip linked in the OP - a man who seems very likely to be the next Scottish Minister. He is an idiot. There is no valid distinction.

Fake transwomen = transwomen = men

The rapist examples make this blindingly obvious. At least to anyone with an ounce of common sense (so not Humza then).

@ArabellaScott I think we need to be really clear on this. A male criminal who only ever comitted tax fraud, who is mild mannered and pleasant, can still cause alarm, fear, and distress to women who are locked up with him.

This too of course. But we still seem to be at a point where even rapists are considered to be people who can be legitimately placed in women's prisons as long as they are "genuinely" pretending to be women, rather than pretending to be pretending to be women...

Forbes and Regan, who are on the side of women and anti-GRR, have both had a lot of negative press, which Humza (who seems to be the current leadership's favourite) has not. Anyone might think there's a smear campaign going on.

nilsmousehammer · 17/03/2023 13:22

user1471447863 · 17/03/2023 13:03

But in other good news Humza has apparently been reported to the police for the hate crime - of misgendering

Breaking his own overreaching hate crime law 😅

😂😂😂

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2023 13:12

Fantastic.

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user1471447863 · 17/03/2023 13:03

But in other good news Humza has apparently been reported to the police for the hate crime - of misgendering

Breaking his own overreaching hate crime law 😅

SinnerBoy · 17/03/2023 09:53

Hoppinggreen · Today 09:26

Bryson wears pink - what more evidence of womanhood do you need?

The right shade of nail varnish, half-tarantula eyelashes.

Ingenieur · 17/03/2023 09:45

OneMorePlant · 15/03/2023 21:06

There used to be an easy way to know who was faking it. It was called "transexual" and doctors were very gatekeepy about who went through that medical pathway.

In gender lalaland Bryson is a transwoman. No ifs. No buts.

I really hope every single woman is smart enough to never vote for Humza. I'm so over politicians treating us like 3rd rate citizens.

Well, the Equality Act still refers to transsexuals with regard to people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

I would say the intent was never for gender to be more than the "medical pathway", so the distinction you make is an important one.

lechiffre55 · 17/03/2023 09:27

Hoppinggreen · 17/03/2023 09:26

Bryson wears pink - what more evidence of womanhood do you need?

You jest but that's actually a higher bar of effort and commitment than self ID.

Hoppinggreen · 17/03/2023 09:26

Bryson wears pink - what more evidence of womanhood do you need?

lechiffre55 · 17/03/2023 09:24

Can I just point out that Humza's "at it" if you move the space by one ironically describes Humza perfectly "a tit"

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2023 09:20

Mykingdomforanap · 17/03/2023 07:41

I think some of the debate of “at it” as a phrase is relevant. It’s obviously not very high brow but it’s a also quite a benign phrase as some one up thread said “wee Fergus is at it” kidding on he’s not well enough to go to school.

Harold Shipman wasn’t at it prescribing those old ladies the wrong doses of medication, Fred west wasn’t at it.

It’s a joking phrase used for people who are so plainly having you on, said with a wry smile.

rapists in women’s prisons - well they are just at it! That’s how serious this is to the SNP

It also matters because Yousaf is a politician operating at a level of power enough that he has proposed and written Bills.

His use of language matters. Either he has thought carefully on the subject and chosen his words, (often he just parrots Sturgeons) in which case its instructive, or he's thoughtlessly exposing his underyling feelings.

His words as a politician have power, impact and consequences.

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2023 09:18

A male criminal who only ever comitted tax fraud, who is mild mannered and pleasant, can still cause alarm, fear, and distress to women who are locked up with him.

To add to that, the reason this lovely, mild mannered fraudster asks to be put into the women's prison is ostensibly to avoid his own fear, alarm and distress at being incarcerated with males.

If his feelings about being incarcerated with males matter, so do those of women. If it's just about 'feelings', then women have equal right to have their feelings respected.

If it's also about safety, then males will always present a greater risk to females. Greater physical strength, not to mention male pattern violence and behaviours.

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ArabellaScott · 17/03/2023 09:15

DuesToTheDirt · 16/03/2023 23:57

Isla Bryson should not have been in a women's prison ... Isla Bryson is a rapist who is completely at it; I don't think they're a genuine transwoman, I think they're trying to play the system.

It is so, so simple. Adam Graham (let's drop this Isla Bryson crap) raped two women. Here are the only two options.

Adam Graham is pretending to be a transwoman. We can't tell, can we, due to the wonders of self-ID. But he raped two women, and shouldn't be in a women's prison.
Adam Graham is really a transwoman. This is irrelevant. The relevant fact is that he raped two women and so he shouldn't be in a women's prison.

As any idiot knows (except it seems, Humza), self-ID is highly risky, since noone can tell the difference between a "real" and a "pretend" transwoman. And even if we could, all the evidence points to transwomen reflecting the spectrum of male behaviours, including rape, sexual aggression, violent threats, fetishes. Transwomen do not follow female pattern behaviours, where these are extremely rare.

Though of course, the feelings and wishes of the transwoman/pretend transwoman rapist are more important than the safety of the female prisoners.

His crime is not the only reason he should be in a male prison.

Simply the fact that he is male is enough to affect women prisoners, how they feel about being incarcerated with a male, the risks to their physical and mental health.

I think we need to be really clear on this. A male criminal who only ever comitted tax fraud, who is mild mannered and pleasant, can still cause alarm, fear, and distress to women who are locked up with him.

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MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 17/03/2023 08:40

Mykingdomforanap · 17/03/2023 07:41

I think some of the debate of “at it” as a phrase is relevant. It’s obviously not very high brow but it’s a also quite a benign phrase as some one up thread said “wee Fergus is at it” kidding on he’s not well enough to go to school.

Harold Shipman wasn’t at it prescribing those old ladies the wrong doses of medication, Fred west wasn’t at it.

It’s a joking phrase used for people who are so plainly having you on, said with a wry smile.

rapists in women’s prisons - well they are just at it! That’s how serious this is to the SNP

I agree but trivialising the faking of being trans may backfire, because ‘at it’ suggests how easy it is to do - which is obvious to everyone on this board, but not necessarily to the general public.

JacquelinePot · 17/03/2023 08:03

DuesToTheDirt · 16/03/2023 23:57

Isla Bryson should not have been in a women's prison ... Isla Bryson is a rapist who is completely at it; I don't think they're a genuine transwoman, I think they're trying to play the system.

It is so, so simple. Adam Graham (let's drop this Isla Bryson crap) raped two women. Here are the only two options.

Adam Graham is pretending to be a transwoman. We can't tell, can we, due to the wonders of self-ID. But he raped two women, and shouldn't be in a women's prison.
Adam Graham is really a transwoman. This is irrelevant. The relevant fact is that he raped two women and so he shouldn't be in a women's prison.

As any idiot knows (except it seems, Humza), self-ID is highly risky, since noone can tell the difference between a "real" and a "pretend" transwoman. And even if we could, all the evidence points to transwomen reflecting the spectrum of male behaviours, including rape, sexual aggression, violent threats, fetishes. Transwomen do not follow female pattern behaviours, where these are extremely rare.

Though of course, the feelings and wishes of the transwoman/pretend transwoman rapist are more important than the safety of the female prisoners.

Sorry Dues, haven't rtft so not sure who you're quoting but seems a good time to point out for that pp:

The distinction they're making is between men pretending to be women and men pretending to be men pretending to be women.

When you realise that, it becomes very clear.

Mykingdomforanap · 17/03/2023 07:41

I think some of the debate of “at it” as a phrase is relevant. It’s obviously not very high brow but it’s a also quite a benign phrase as some one up thread said “wee Fergus is at it” kidding on he’s not well enough to go to school.

Harold Shipman wasn’t at it prescribing those old ladies the wrong doses of medication, Fred west wasn’t at it.

It’s a joking phrase used for people who are so plainly having you on, said with a wry smile.

rapists in women’s prisons - well they are just at it! That’s how serious this is to the SNP

nilsmousehammer · 17/03/2023 07:35

I'd really like Humza to explain how raping invalidates transness.

Does all crime? Violent assault? Or just rape? At the point of conviction, is that when it's all proven false?

And why?

They are all trans. TW just means 1) biologically male 2) has labelled themselves as trans. That's it. That's all. The issue is part 1, not part 2. And there is no degree of surgery or cosmetic/medicated treatment that ever changes part 1.

All this wangling is to try, increasingly desperately, to justify the absolute horror show of entitling male offenders including male sex offenders to the company of non consenting females, who are reduced to male therapy aids instead of equal personhood with the male.

Face it and own it you bloody coward. Or admit it is unjustifiable in a supposedly modern world by a man who would like the electorate to think he's fit to run a bloody country.