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Thoughts on Calvin Robinson?

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meatbasedbreakfast · 15/03/2023 17:01

Long time lurker, stepping out the darkness to ask this.

Was asked today by a friend who knows I'm GC what my thoughts are on Calvin Robinson. Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!

I was shocked. He is anti abortion (in all cases), doesn't think same sex marriage should be legal, and isn't a feminist in any sense of the word.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think.

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beastlyslumber · 16/03/2023 07:52

He's an ordained CofE priest I believe. He seems like a decent person to me, someone who follows the principals of his faith. I don't share his religion but I don't understand all the hate for him. Rather him than some tube who says God got biology all wrong.

Signalbox · 16/03/2023 07:44

He is a fake priest

Why fake?

twitterexile · 16/03/2023 07:16

Also that the use of 'right wing' is a slur which can be 'weaponised'. Being right wing is normal, mainstream and legal

So much this. I hold some pretty right wing views, some pretty left wing views and plenty of views in the middle. So many people think that saying something is 'right wing' kills the argument and makes them right....not so.

twitterexile · 16/03/2023 07:11

Floisme · 15/03/2023 19:00

I think the issue is more that Twitter TRA know the game's up and that this is about the only argument they've got left.

Yes.

Eyerollcentral · 16/03/2023 01:49

meatbasedbreakfast · 15/03/2023 17:01

Long time lurker, stepping out the darkness to ask this.

Was asked today by a friend who knows I'm GC what my thoughts are on Calvin Robinson. Apparently he's becoming a face of GC views?!

I was shocked. He is anti abortion (in all cases), doesn't think same sex marriage should be legal, and isn't a feminist in any sense of the word.

I'm genuinely concerned that our movement is being picked up by people like him, who couldn't care less about women. When he says biological sex is real, he couldn't give a damn about how that leads to discrimination/violence. It made my blood boil and I want to know what other people think.

How could he possibly be the face of anything when most people have no idea who he is? He is a fake priest cosplaying a version of traditionalism. No one takes him seriously. I’m surprised you take such thoughts on board, why would you be looking to a man as a figurehead of gender critical thinkers? Women have been crying in the wilderness about this for years. I also find it deeply concerning you require ideological purity to judge someone worthy of being in the gender critical gang. People can be pro life and gender critical, there’s no contradiction. Likewise with gay marriage. You don’t have to share the views of one dull man to be gender critical. I doubt if you are a genuine poster at all.

Boiledbeetle · 16/03/2023 01:19

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 21:14

Big weird to assume Calvin Robinson is the Chief Terf of Terf Island rather than someone who objects to Gender Ideology and Drag Queen event for minors on the basis of his conservative Christianity.

You’d think the dog collar and cassock outfits would make it pretty obvious?

Especially as we all know the chief Terf of Terf island Is datun, unless she got cheesed off with the position.

TheBiologyStupid · 16/03/2023 01:00

It looks as though "long time lurker" @meatbasedbreakfast has stepped back into the darkness. How unexpected...!

Shelefttheweb · 15/03/2023 23:45

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 22:50

Are you sure that meeting was quorate?

Who counted the ballots?

I realise I was absent so can’t really complain (no baby sitter!) about the outcome but surely Calvin wasn’t the only candidate standing at The Big Terf Meeting 2023?

I stood as well (my husband agreed to babysit our children so I could attend) but it was felt that as Calvin was a man he would command more authority as the face of feminism. I couldn’t really argue against that so stood aside. Also, as many women have found (especially if they have to address court), his deep voice commanded more respect too.

SirCharlesRainier · 15/03/2023 23:15

I think he's an absolute prick, with whom I am in agreement on a specific matter (sex being real and immutable) - a matter which happens to be as indisputable as whether the sky is blue.

It's likely that plenty of absolute pricks also believe the sky is blue. I'm not gonna start believing it's orange in response.

DemiColon · 15/03/2023 23:06

BordoisAgain · 15/03/2023 19:20

How so?

The main reason they refused to ordain him was that he said he didn't believe in systemic racism. They sent him to seminary to study with no intention that he be allowed to be ordained in the end, they seem to have been afraid to just tell him know, and once it was clear that his work was fine, tried to make sure he didn't get through behind the scenes. He describes having a conversation with the (white) bishop where she patted him on the knee and said, "But Calvin, I can assure you that it does exist."

They can't engage with any of the identity politics stuff in a meaningful way and are too scared to look like baddies even if they could.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 22:50

FKATondelayo · 15/03/2023 22:46

Actually there was a meeting of the GC (it was a big room) and we all voted Calvin to be our 'face'. Did you not get the outlook invitation?

Are you sure that meeting was quorate?

Who counted the ballots?

I realise I was absent so can’t really complain (no baby sitter!) about the outcome but surely Calvin wasn’t the only candidate standing at The Big Terf Meeting 2023?

FKATondelayo · 15/03/2023 22:46

Actually there was a meeting of the GC (it was a big room) and we all voted Calvin to be our 'face'. Did you not get the outlook invitation?

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 22:45

I doubt the Pope believes he is a feminist. Maybe it was Calvin who was upset that he was lower in the hierarchy…

Oh… maybe Joanne Rowling was unhappy about being bumped down the hierarchy… or did I say that she was higher than the Pope and the Pope was unhappy with that???

I don’t know.

ValancyRedfern · 15/03/2023 22:42

MalagaNights · 15/03/2023 22:38

@Helleofabore I could not figure out what you'd said that would result in a deletion either!

Maybe the Pope is on here and he's offended because he is a huge feminist.

😂

MalagaNights · 15/03/2023 22:38

@Helleofabore I could not figure out what you'd said that would result in a deletion either!

Maybe the Pope is on here and he's offended because he is a huge feminist.

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 22:26

really? Posting something about the Pope saying that gender ideology being harmful was delete worthy?

Or was it me saying the Pope wasn’t a feminist?

twitter.com/objectuk/status/1635705409578074122?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

was I too sarcastic?

Signalbox · 15/03/2023 22:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/03/2023 18:36

😂😂
Sorry Signalbox - this just made me laugh.

😁

Insanely · 15/03/2023 22:04

His views are those of traditional Christian within various classic denominations (Catholic, Orthodox, Copt, Chaldeans, Evangelical). They are very much a minority in the West these days. Their socially conservative views align with Orthodox Judaism and Islam. The views he holds are only aired on GB news as no other channel will give him airtime, but there are a significant number of people in the UK that hold similar religious views. He was also refused ordination in the C of E and is ordained in a breakaway, more traditional, conservative group with the Anglican movement. His views are shared by many Anglicans in African nations for example.

Until 5 minutes ago it was completely uncontroversial to say women and men are a biological material reality and children shouldn’t be medically experimented on. The majority of Brits still hold those two views. It’s very unsophisticated and narrow to suggest there are only two “sides” and that anyone who shares the views of sex being immutable and safeguarding children being a good thing, therefore must agree on everything else. It’s this type of purity test that damages the Left so badly.

If anyone suggests he “represents” GCs in your hearing and you are offended by it, you only need to open your mouth and explain the differences.

MalagaNights · 15/03/2023 21:58

Here's Calvin discussing feminism and trans rights with David Starkey.
(Warning you may not like their views).
They think the Trans movement is the feminists fault.

He's a rubbish leader for the feminist movement 😁

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 21:46

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CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 21:41

The Pope is a terf? 🙀

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 21:35

So what about the Pope, OP?

Does the Pope outrank Calvin in the run to become the face of our movement considering the Pope has also expressed concern about gender identity ideology?

Or can we just safely say the majority of people around the world believe in the biological facts of sex being immutable and leave it at that. That believing that fact doesn’t make people aligned with feminists or any feminist movement (if anyone wants to call it that) to prioritise sex over gender where sex matters.

MalagaNights · 15/03/2023 21:17

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 21:14

Big weird to assume Calvin Robinson is the Chief Terf of Terf Island rather than someone who objects to Gender Ideology and Drag Queen event for minors on the basis of his conservative Christianity.

You’d think the dog collar and cassock outfits would make it pretty obvious?

🤣🤣

The OP made me lol with 'he's not even a feminist'!!
You reckon?? 🤣🤣

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 15/03/2023 21:14

Big weird to assume Calvin Robinson is the Chief Terf of Terf Island rather than someone who objects to Gender Ideology and Drag Queen event for minors on the basis of his conservative Christianity.

You’d think the dog collar and cassock outfits would make it pretty obvious?

DismantledKing · 15/03/2023 19:54

He’s fucking awful