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Julie Bindel v Billy Bragg

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sashh · 15/03/2023 02:35

Billy Bragg has tweeted.

Julie Bindel takes to right wing GBNews to smear the trans community with the same trope that was used against gay men in the 1980s - that they are all paedophiles. Has she forgotten that made gays a target for physical violence? Does she care if trans people are now targeted too.

Julie has given him 24 hours to appologise or she will take legal action.

This is the interview

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EdithStourton · 15/03/2023 09:48

CriticalCondition · 15/03/2023 09:03

Billy is such a wanker. Much like Eddie, 30 years ago I thought he was great. Were they always dicks, have they changed or has the menopause given me the ability to see them for what they are?

I have the same thoughts. They are more obviously wankers than they used to be, plus the menopause has given me fabulous clarity!

I shall soon be embracing the identity of Old Hag, pronouns fuck/off.

Datun · 15/03/2023 09:39

Julie said that the group MAP was part of the rainbow coalition. As far as I know, there's no actual group called the rainbow coalition. Presumably she was meaning LGBTQ+ and all the other letters.

So, if that's not the case, let's have a proper description of what all those things mean, and what they do and don't include, including pedophiles/maps. Do they include fetishists? Men who like pup play and/wear nappies, etc. Men who like dressing up as little girls? Al la Challoner senior.

Is Billy Bragg going away and asking his peer group what kind of leg he has to stand on? Is he saying to them well, what do you think about this map thing - is it being included?

If he thinks he's right, and it's not, he'll have no trouble going to court, presumably. But if they say we-ll...it's a tricky one, bit of a grey area...

Is that going to shock him? Or is he going to double down?

Let's have it. What is included? What is condemned?

Abhannmor · 15/03/2023 09:37

I've never been able to take Comrade Bragg seriously since I learned that he gave up on being a punk and joined the British Army.

In 1981 , when iirc , the republican hunger strike was well under way in H Block. After a few months he bought himself out and reinvented himself as a working class hero.

Doesn't matter what you think about Anglo - Irish politics . It shows a stunning lack of critical thinking for a socialist. Forty years later he still comes across as a bluffer.

AmuseBish · 15/03/2023 09:36

Almahart · 15/03/2023 09:25

Eunuch identity. Jesus fucking wept what next?

Bit more info - genuine caution for reading as it's quite disturbing, CSA.

reduxx.info/top-trans-medical-association-collaborated-with-castration-child-abuse-fetishists

One of a few threads on it here
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4569010-nhs-scotland-links-to-eunuch-archive

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2023 09:26

Floisme · 15/03/2023 08:45

I saw this unfold in real time. You could almost hear Julie laughing when Billy dug out Julie's 'misogynist' Substack article and threatened to counter sue.

Julie's a writer. She will know libel laws inside out because she has to. Billy, I suspect, does not.

T'aint libel if it's true.

Almahart · 15/03/2023 09:25

Eunuch identity. Jesus fucking wept what next?

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2023 09:25

RoyalCorgi · 15/03/2023 07:56

I think that the use of the phrase "dog whistle" will cut no ice in a court of law. What "dog whistle" means, as used these days, is: "This person said something, but meant something completely different." Good luck convincing a judge of that one, Billy.

twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1627042914613305344?cxt=HHwWgIC9_aG6tZQtAAAA

The wisdom of Tit McGrath.

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 09:13

I mean in addition to Julie’s wit.

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 09:12

twitter.com/moleatthedoor/status/1635701879517609997?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

A little light that has come from this exchange.

mach2 · 15/03/2023 09:12

All together:

Seck shoo alley teeee!
What's wrong with a Em Ay Peee?

CriticalCondition · 15/03/2023 09:03

Billy is such a wanker. Much like Eddie, 30 years ago I thought he was great. Were they always dicks, have they changed or has the menopause given me the ability to see them for what they are?

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 15/03/2023 09:01

Datun · 15/03/2023 08:47

I think a court case might turn out to be instructive for the general public; even if stressful and time consuming for Julie.

This. So this. Let's get it all out there. She would have an absolutely field day.

I really hope this happens….really, really, really

and i fucking hate it when people say ‘you didn’t say it but i knew what you were really saying’

show me exactly who they are

ExiledElsie · 15/03/2023 09:00

AlisonDonut · 15/03/2023 08:43

Weird how he isn't wanting to distance himself from MAPs huh?

Also weird how he hears MAPs and thinks trans.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/03/2023 08:50

It is incredible that a fading male singer so openly displays his distaste for lesbians. This group has been started by Kathleen Stock, Martina Navratilova & Julie yet he openly targets and criticises them for setting up an organisation to ensure that lesbians are heard, visible and included in research.
He seems to have lost his off switch when it comes to displaying his dislike of women.

Datun · 15/03/2023 08:47

I think a court case might turn out to be instructive for the general public; even if stressful and time consuming for Julie.

This. So this. Let's get it all out there. She would have an absolutely field day.

Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 08:46

Bragg doesn’t seem to be a well considered person, yet always keen to denigrate people. Particularly women.

And yes, his support of strippers recently was fully in line with sex work is work feminist thinking. Neatly avoiding or conveniently ignoring the exploitative aspect.

Floisme · 15/03/2023 08:45

I saw this unfold in real time. You could almost hear Julie laughing when Billy dug out Julie's 'misogynist' Substack article and threatened to counter sue.

Julie's a writer. She will know libel laws inside out because she has to. Billy, I suspect, does not.

AlisonDonut · 15/03/2023 08:43

Weird how he isn't wanting to distance himself from MAPs huh?

BabyStopCryin · 15/03/2023 08:41

But he supports strippers so…

NotHavingIt · 15/03/2023 08:33

zanahoria · 15/03/2023 08:31

Whatever Julie said it was clearly aimed at the Q+

Billy Bragg said she was targeting the G.

He is simply wrong.

Bragg has never researched or even been exposed to much of the Q+. He is ignorant if it.

zanahoria · 15/03/2023 08:31

Whatever Julie said it was clearly aimed at the Q+

Billy Bragg said she was targeting the G.

He is simply wrong.

AmuseBish · 15/03/2023 08:31

Beowulfa · 15/03/2023 08:25

He can't disguise his hatred of the Lesbian Project, can he. Some heterosexuals take the existence of lesbians as such a personal affront.

Yes, this is clear. Not even a "dog whistle". "We all know the lesbian project is dodgy"

NotHavingIt · 15/03/2023 08:30

teawamutu · 15/03/2023 08:18

There is literally no end to Bragg's fuckwittery.

JB is measured, eloquent and sensible. I wish she wouldn't denounce other women but I'm Team Julie all the way here.

Don't know what would be more entertaining - a proper sheepish climb down from Bragg, or the court case.

Standing by with my spade 😁

I think a court case might turn out to be instructive for the general public; even if stressful and time consuming for Julie.

AmuseBish · 15/03/2023 08:30

Remember that "eunuchs" are listed as a legitimate gender by WPATH and everyone referring to the WPATH guidelines. So they are part of the "T" apparently (I'm sure many trans ppl would disagree). Lots of eunuch discussion out there is definitely MAP-like.

NotHavingIt · 15/03/2023 08:28

BabyStopCryin · 15/03/2023 08:04

He’s got a tour coming. probably hopes to get a new gen of fans. Fat chance .

He and Gary Lineker should tour together.

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