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The Lib Dem candidate has just been round, and guess what...

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FetchezLaVache · 14/03/2023 17:03

He couldn't say what a woman is.

He is a biochemist by training and doesn't believe it's as simple as XX or XY.

He believes that some people are born into the wrong bodies.

He personally doesn't mind who is in the next cubicle, but does accept that some women might not feel equally comfortable.

He believes that the issue with men using female changing rooms is not that men might try to spy on women getting changed, because some women do that too and it's a crime that should be punished regardless of the sex of the person committing it - he clearly thought that was an absolutely unanswerable point, despite conceding he's not aware of any cases of biological women being caught spying on other changing room users.

He's not bothered that I won't be voting him because of his and his ridiculous party's views.

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Birdsweepsin · 16/03/2023 12:35

Maybe fun isn't quite the right word...

As I have said before, whichever of Lib Dem, Green and Labour gets off the fence and denounces these ideologues who have infiltrated their party first will get my vote

Birdsweepsin · 15/03/2023 22:08

Their upcoming conference looks fun.... (FB is Federal Board I believe, mostly but not entirely captured)

The Lib Dem candidate has just been round, and guess what...
Chersfrozenface · 15/03/2023 13:40

monsterradeliciosa · 15/03/2023 12:54

What, they're still around?

They have 14 MPs.

In a by-election in 2021 they won a seat that had been held by the Tories for over 150 years.

They are targeting seats they think they can win from the Tories, and a few they think they can win from Labour.

In a less than decisive result from a general election, they could gain influence through the inevitable horse-trading. Starmer's denials that Labour wouldn't work with them would mean nothing in some post-election scenarios.

Their policies and intentions are relevant, they need examining and challenging.

monsterradeliciosa · 15/03/2023 12:54

What, they're still around?

howmanybicycles · 15/03/2023 12:41

ScrollingLeaves · 15/03/2023 08:16

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#predatory

Has anyone got a ready debunk of this list?

I notice they feel very free to call any one who has a concern or an objection a transphobe in a dehumanising, thoughtless way.

Well, this transphobe, who always voted for them in the past, will no longer.

Hannah Barnes book, time to think, debunks some of it. They're using research from a previous cohort to "evidence' claims for a very different group of people. It's clearly a highly biased opinion piece and the conclusions so not stem from the 'data'. A clear, and badly executed, attempt to evidence an approach which does not let women 'live in peace'. The bald attempt to justify the abuse of JKR is particularly galling especially as they horrific abuse she experienced, at the hands of men like so many women, is dismissed as an explanation for her alleged 'faults'. It's just old fashioned male supremacy. It also fails to explain why we need spaces segregated by gender.

Snailsaresweet · 15/03/2023 08:40

The rather brilliant cross-party workshop I went to at the recent Womans Place/Women in Education Conference showed that there were GC women in the 3 main parties, all working hard to change things. And their advice was along the lines of joining a local party and starting to change things from within - not the least because you get a chance to attend hustings/vote for candidates etc etc. I'm certainly considering it, but waiting to see what happens with boundary changes as that will have an impact on which party is most likely to defeat our (useless) Tory MP.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/03/2023 08:19

Re: TWs murdered at a higher rate than women

unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/

ScrollingLeaves · 15/03/2023 08:16

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#predatory

Has anyone got a ready debunk of this list?

I notice they feel very free to call any one who has a concern or an objection a transphobe in a dehumanising, thoughtless way.

Well, this transphobe, who always voted for them in the past, will no longer.

NotHavingIt · 15/03/2023 08:05

The Lib Dems are as bad as the Greens on this issue. Totally committed to TWAW; floating around in some quite peculiar ether which I can't quite put my finger on. A sort of amorality, maybe? They don't have the passion of socialists, and they don't have the prgamatism or firm values of conservatives. A strange breed!

Ofcourseshecan · 15/03/2023 08:00

IneedanewTV · 14/03/2023 22:30

Last week I had the Green Party candidate. He too couldn’t define what a woman was but basically said that TWAW. He then proceeded to tell me that TW are being murdered at a higher rate than women. So that’s ok then?

He then proceeded to tell me that TW are being murdered at a higher rate than women.

Which is a lie, as has been pointed out many times. The only figures transactivists can ever come up with to back this claim are based on the high rates of violence against prostitutes (male and female) in Latin America.

Chersfrozenface · 15/03/2023 07:57

rioseco · 15/03/2023 07:47

I've never voted Tory and I'm in a marginal seat. My male Tory MP has responded twice to my emails with thoughtful and accurate replies. He TOTALLY gets it.
So what do I do? This isn't a single issue as it crosses over into education, health, employment etc and it is so important to me...

I'd tell all the candidates exactly that.

Tell them you will vote for the Tory not for them.

And do it. Just this once.

rioseco · 15/03/2023 07:47

I've never voted Tory and I'm in a marginal seat. My male Tory MP has responded twice to my emails with thoughtful and accurate replies. He TOTALLY gets it.
So what do I do? This isn't a single issue as it crosses over into education, health, employment etc and it is so important to me...

Chersfrozenface · 15/03/2023 07:20

PegasusReturns · 14/03/2023 20:14

The trouble is that saying you won’t vote, not voting or spoiling your vote doesn’t have an impact.

you have to vote for the opposition and that is a difficult to ask.

Absolutely.

Labour / LibDems / Greens / SNP+PC have to be told that harmful genderist nonsense not only loses them votes, it ensures votes for their opposition. Otherwise they just don't care.

Voters choices have to be negative for them, not neutral.

I have never voted Tory in my life, but I damn well will if the Tory party gets this right and no-one else does.

QueenoftheAngles · 15/03/2023 00:22

Crouton19 · 14/03/2023 20:08

The “it’s going to happen anyway”/“some women do that too” is one of the LD scripted responses.

https://lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/debunking-transphobic-talking-points-longer-version#predatory

The rest of that link should give you an idea what will come up, and how ridiculous their position is. Absolutely no compassion for women and children, a total Us v Them approach and nothing like the pragmatic approach of the party of 10 yrs ago.

I am in a safe Tory seat. Lib Dem female candidate, first female candidate that I can remember. I voted Lib Dem in 2019. I emailed to ask for her views on single sex spaces and I got a cut and paste version of this link back. Needless to say there was no mention of any of this on her website or the leaflet that dropped through my door.

The response to my email was completely incoherent and basically called me a bigot because apparently the type of people raising these concerns were the same kind of people who supported section 28. I really should reply but every time I try I get really really cross and she’s made it very clear
what her position is so I think it would be a complete waste of my time.

LK1972 · 14/03/2023 23:44

BluebellBlueballs · 14/03/2023 22:32

I'm a centrist and politically homeless

The only party who knows what a woman is are the torys and I'm not voting tory

If you call yourself a centrist, why would you not consider voting for Tories, out of interest?

MathiasBroucek · 14/03/2023 23:05

Bloke here. Am also horrified by this

Why does the TWAW brigade insist on behaving like the rest of us are the weirdos? All part of the gaslighting, I suppose….

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 14/03/2023 23:02

Sorry, typos aplenty. Phone keyboard!!

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 14/03/2023 23:01

Last year I emailed the local LibDen Councillor candidate abd asked them their view on thus... neither bothered to reply.

The local Tory candidate did doorstep. He didn't seem very clued up on this, though very willing to listen. I gave him a printout of Sex Matters info.

Sadly the LibDems won. They still haven't answered my bloody email.....

BluebellBlueballs · 14/03/2023 22:32

aweegc · 14/03/2023 21:02

Thing is, if she can't define what woman is then the idea that a man shouldn't be in women's spaces becomes meaningless.

It all comes back to the ability to define what a woman is.

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Thats pretty much the nub of it

BluebellBlueballs · 14/03/2023 22:32

I'm a centrist and politically homeless

The only party who knows what a woman is are the torys and I'm not voting tory

IneedanewTV · 14/03/2023 22:30

Last week I had the Green Party candidate. He too couldn’t define what a woman was but basically said that TWAW. He then proceeded to tell me that TW are being murdered at a higher rate than women. So that’s ok then?

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FetchezLaVache · 14/03/2023 22:23

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ArabellaScott · 14/03/2023 22:18

FetchezLaVache · 14/03/2023 17:32

@viques snap! It's a new LD candidate in a Tory stronghold, so obviously a bit of a keen bean. It's the first time I have been doorstopped and I was so excited. I had actually ignored the knock, then when I saw the LD pamphlet on the mat I positively sprinted to the door! I consider myself very lucky too.

😂

The poor door-knockers must be in absolute fear of getting a feminist.

aweegc · 14/03/2023 21:02

DiscoBoots · 14/03/2023 17:51

I got doorstopped by a local Green candidate yesterday.

We discussed local issues then she asked if she might get my vote. I replied that I couldn't vote for the Green party due to their stance on trans issues and the loss of women's rights

She took a deep breath and replied that she wouldn't be whipped to vote a specific way on issues (implied that was Green policy) and told me that she personally was very concerned about these issues and the implications for women, and she wouldn't feel comfortable using the loo with a man next door and certainly didn't want to see any males in women's prisons.

All very sensible and common sense.

I asked her to pass on that this was a huge issue for me and many people I knew and she gave me a clear indication I was not the only person to mention this

Thing is, if she can't define what woman is then the idea that a man shouldn't be in women's spaces becomes meaningless.

It all comes back to the ability to define what a woman is.

TheBiologyStupid · 14/03/2023 20:22

And that link is being archived for posterity, too!