More isolation tactics – or am I imagining it?

I will continue to repeat the facts on how we've ended up in this position. I'm glad that Sunak says he knows what a woman is now but it wasn't too long ago he said it was whatever PM Johnson said. The same PM Johnson who couldn't say that only women have a cervix.

The Tories are not the only ones rolling back on this. Since Nichola Sturgeon and the disgraceful case of Isla Bryson, all the parties are reassessing their views.

I am suffering no cognitive dissonance and in no need of a coping mechanism. Nor am I in denial about which party sacrificed the rights of women and girls to the TRA movement. It was the party in power. It was the Tory party.

Nothing new under the sun.

However, despite As other posters have said things were more frugal in our childhoods, and that was better for the planet, some of the things that anger my teen ds are how businesses and governments hide information that something is harmful, like the long term harms caused by leaded petrol, smoking and nitrous oxide were known about for decades before anything was done about them. In his mind it was the older generations once again prioritising their immediate interests over younger people's futures.

There is nothing new under the sun - except social media and the cult of the uptick.

Nobody is doing anything of the sort. We're all here because of our deep concern, just like you.

Thankfully, the Tory party have put a stop to Self ID, though - which is where the real and escalating dangers would have manifested. If we'd had a Labour or Lib Dem government a coupe of years ago, when the bill to amend the GRA was going through, it would have been passed.

TooBig I get you hate the Tories. But it seems like every time I see your name it's blaming the Tories. It's like a broken record. The same thing over and over and over.
The TWAW crap crept up on everyone. Most times the spineless politicians of today will go with whatever they think will cause the least fuss.
When asked what a woman was Sunak said "Adult human female". Even if they are only pushing back purely to win votes, the Tories are the only ones pushing back on this. Starmer doesn't even know what a woman is. Rosie Duffield has been hung out to dry by Labour. You really think Starmer's going to push back on TWAW when he gets elected? They are displaying their intents right now.
Even some Scottish people who hate the Tories are grateful for the section 35 block.
You can agree with the Tories on this one issue, and still reject them, and still hate them, and still never vote for them. Agreeing with someone or something on one particular issue does not mean you support them on everything.
I think you are in denial. I think the positions of the Tories and Labour on this issue is causing you cognitive dissonance, and you are adopting denial as a coping mechanism.

So I asked her about it. The first thing out of her mouth was, “Well, your generation has completely ruined the planet and my generation’s future.”

It's nothing new. I can remember in my teens in the 1970s that this was said all the time.

I spent a few years of my early teens living in Australia, and I distinctly remember watching a very "yoof" programme on the ABC equivalent of the BBC) which was a studio discussion programme involving a group of older teenagers and a well-known ABC journalist moderator (might have been a very young Bill Peach). It had a strapline "Leave something for us."

It was all about youth politics, anti-nuclear, Greenpeace etc etc, and that the teenagers of the 1970s were going to inherit a nuclear wasteland. So those teenagers are now in their 60s and 70s. It's us!

EdgeOfACoin I will continue to bang the drum about this every time I see posters erase, minimise or forget the damage done to women and girls by the Tory TWAW policies.

Almost the whole political class in all the English speaking countries was captured, plus many of the other more social democratic countries.

To see this as mainly something that came out of political parties is a gross misunderstanding. All of them, at the same time, fell prey to this. That's what's so startling. The Tories, the LP, the Democrats in the US, the political class in Australia, NZ, Canada.

Where there has been some skepticism and push back from political parties even belated, it's come more from the right. The left has almost universally embraced it and shut down any of their own who did not. The various Communist groups in the UK being an exception, but in Canada the Communists seem as bad as the rest on this issue.

I’d say fine, you won’t be needing a mobile phone / ipad or lifts anywhere then and you have to wear clothes at least 3 times before washing plus you can only wash your hair once a week, all while smiling brightly.
It’s not the older generations driving the need for rare earth minerals.

The smug teens and 20 somethings drinking their almond milk lattes and water in plastic bottles drive me insane, both those things are irrevocably damaging the enviroment.

There's a thing that bothers me with regards to some young people. There seems to be an assumption that they know better because old people are out of touch. The thing is every old person was a young person once. I remember what I was like when I was younger, and I have the experience of my youth as well as the experience from being older. No old person is born old, every old person was young once.
I have been alive every minute of a younger person's life and quite a few minutes extra on top of that.
Kids leave the lights on, and I go around the house turning them off, and they tell me about climate change? I pay the bills, I know to turn stuff not being used off. To close the dorrs and windows when it's cold.
I may not know or even care how tiktok works but assuming I know less than them because they are younger is very shakey ground.

That's because some of their MPs were captured, just like MPs in many other parties at the time. That was before the public, or anyone, had really woken up to what was really going on. Let's be thankful, at least, that they are putting the brakes on now.

TooBig, you've been banging this drum for a while. This really is not the thread, although it's fair to discuss the point elsewhere.

I do think that the Tory Party, for its many, many, many faults, did not 'start' transgender ideology.

Anyway, I have no wish to derail this thread, so that's all I'll say.

The Tory party have not been held hostage. They deliberately launched the policy of De-medicalisation, debated it and put Genderwoo into government policies. They have repeatedly put TWAW believers in charge of Education.

That's 6 years of teaching our girls to doubt what they are, budge up for the boys and challenge those trying to protect their rights.

the tory party has been held hostage just like any other party. the fact is that the tories have been in government during the last 10 years or so as transgender fanaticism has taken off and taken hold. At least they have now started to put the brakes on; unlike the Labour Party, Lib -Dems or Greens - and the Scottish Nationalists ( although that may well be in full unravel now)

I think I know what you are getting at, but for me this is just another manufactured division of the sort that has come about as a result of the blunt use of ' Intersectionalism' as a way of understanding society. Oppressors and victims; powerful and powerless...the politics of group identity.

And the Tory Party.

This reminds me of the thread here recently trying to credit "young people" with starting trans ideology and mixing things up. Conveniently ignoring that the person widely considered to have started it all, John Money, was pre boomer. Let alone all the distinctly gen X and older male transitioners, political supporters, and financial benefitters.

I think you are right that we should be concerned that this messaging is being pushed very strongly. I also think it’s pretty common to blame the previous generation.

I’d ask the question: what’s so special about your generation to make you think that if our generations switched places we wouldn’t be facing the same climate issues, i.e same circumstance, different outcome? They can only blame us if they can show why they would have done it all differently.

Saying that, I’m glad they want to make change happen. The test is, as mentioned upthread, how far back to frugality are they willing to go?

You'll find this Jonathan Heidt article useful, OP.

jonathanhaidt.substack.com/p/mental-health-liberal-girls?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Liberal girls like your daughter are being encouraged by social media and in some cases the education system to think in certain (and not helpful for their MH) ways. One of the ways of thinking prevalent among many young people is the black-and-white take on things. So, the world is made up of good people and bad people. Old people (like you!) are bad because they own their own homes and have pensions and ruined the world for young people. Young people are good because they are the helpless victims of uncaring generations. I over-simplify massively, of course, but the article really pins down what's going on in many young peoples' heads and ways of thinking.

Your response to your daughter was excellent. The Heidt article will help you spot and intervene when you notice her using other dangerous thinking assumptions — such as that people with views different to hers are dangerous and must be silenced.

I was born in the late 50’s and I do think our generation should take some of the blame.

The damage to the planet started with the Industrial Revolution, but it’s only my generation who were adults while science was telling us that our profligate consumerism was damaging the planet and the climate.

I spent my thirties striving for the nice house, furniture and just loads of things and I never felt any guilt because it just wasn’t known about. But as I’ve got older and say the last 20 years, it’s been an alarm sounding stronger and stronger.

As other posters have said things were more frugal in our childhoods, and that was better for the planet. The majority of people can afford to have so many more ‘things’ than we ever used to do.

Yes, we had the ozone layer, the Cold War, smoking causes cancer and too many people to feed.

I have changed my ways considerably and now have a make do and mend attitude. My ex has carried on and sees his accumulated wealth as the means to do anything he wants. He spends on endless things.

I feel guilty that my adult children will have to make decisions and have curtailed choices as they reach their thirties and forties.

I agree, OP, I think this is a message given out by SM, and it is designed to create division.

LOL at you telling DC they need to turn a light off from time to time!