TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

its quite a leap to say he encourages children to go no contact with their parents

That's where Shamirum's edited video might have been useful, had she not been compelled to delete it because of someone stalking and threatening her kids.

Marsh has made several videos where he encourages children to go 'no contact' with their parents. He focuses on this really quite uncommon and extreme course of action enthusiastically. I take your point he could be addressing adult children with these videos, but equally he frequently starts his videos wth 'hi kids' and 'hey kids' etc. He is not making any legal or ethical boundaries clear, as anyone who is working as a therapist or counsellor ought to.

I've no idea what his overall intent is, but he is positioning himself as some kind of guru based on no discernible qualifications or relevant experience. He is encouraging potentially risky or harmful behaviour, either out of ignorance or for a different reason.

Looks to me that when they make videos aimed at children, it's stated at the start of the video that its specifically for them.

So what was the point of mentioning ‘repercussions’?

What repercussions do you believe you will encounter here?

”From what I can see, that material is aimed at adults, not children.”

Crikey! The videos are mixed in together. There was no age filtering until Shumirun’s video and there has been some kind of attempt since it seems.

Or did you miss the ‘hi kids’, Ngo children’ and in the sex one on tik tok ‘hi love’? Or maybe you think ‘hi love’ signals “this is for adults “… because considering the use of “love”, a common term of endearment used for children, I think you are going to be very hard pushed to convince anyone they were aimed at adults.

Nope?

Repercussions?

Are you trying to draw a comparison to Shumirun’s situation to some random posting on a forum and having their posts discussed and scrutinised?

Are you really trying to draw that comparison?

God this guy makes me feel unclean just watching him.

He sets off every single alarm going!!!

How can some people not see this for what it is?

From what I can see, that material is aimed at adults, not children.

marsh literally starts off those videos with “hello children.” (The creepiness of his facial expressions when he says this is off the scale btw. It’s sometimes hard to believe he’s a real person.)

But that is just my opinion, and according to the above posts, I am allowed it without fear of repercussions

yes. You’re allowed to have an opinion without anyone vandalising your car or threatening your children. But it’s not like that was ever going to happen to you anyway - unlike the woman who was victimised, it’s not vicious predatory men that you’re disagreeing with here. No courage is required of you in terms of “repercussions.” You will, of course, have to deal with being thought of, and called, someone who enables and excuses predatory behaviour, someone who joins in witch-hunting mobs to further bully their victim, someone who engages in whataboutery when violent men threaten children… because that is what you are.

Yes. That should be the case. And to seek therapeutic help to overcome trauma If trauma is the issue.

It shouldn’t be left, as it was on the Patreon video, that learning to relax and overcome the discomfort and pain was the solution to a ‘happy relationship’ that Marsh has with Marsh’s husband.

In fact, I actually think it should be considered transphobic to not criticise this behaviour. Surely viewing this kind of creepy, grooming like behaviour as somehow part of being trans is the transphobic position. Criticising the dodgy behaviour is not transphobic in the least.

Absolutely this!

Wasn't the discussion around how he found sex with his partner difficult on his Patreon?

Talking about why sex isnt all its cracked up to be is a good lesson.

This is absolutely the wrong thing to be telling teenagers! You tell them that if sex is painful or uncomfortable they should stop. In fact, that's what you should say to literally anyone!

I think some of their videos are fine tbh. Talking about why sex isnt all its cracked up to be is a good lesson. I don't think there are children seeking out JM material to listen about sex. They can do that for free on Twitter and watch Stephen Bear being rimmed. I think there are worse things on the internet, and its quite a leap to say he encourages children to go no contact with their parents (because only social services can enable that?). From what I can see, that material is aimed at adults, not children.

But that is just my opinion, and according to the above posts, I am allowed it without fear of repercussions.

Oh no, is this one of those 'We are the witches who cannot be burned' things?'

I do so wish she hadn’t done the video of her so upset, it would have been much better for her to come out fighting and tell them to go fuck themselves because she wasn’t going to shut up.
They’ll see her as ‘weak’ now and it will only make them double down in the same way they did with Caroline F. They are bullies and that’s their M O.
I’m not saying she shouldn’t be upset or fearful btw.

Nah. Loads of people have a following. And they monitise it if they're popular enough.

It's got fuck all do with that. It's because she's a woman exposing the creepy and conditioning behaviour of an adult male.

But more than that. She has now exposed the behaviour of all those people, including people on this thread, who either cant see anything wrong with it, or far more likely in my opinion, know exactly what's wrong with it, but want it to continue.

do you see anything wrong with it Seasonofthewitch83?

I didnt say she had been transphobic - I said her comment sections are.

I’d be interested to know your definition of transphobia and why you think Shimirun should not raise a serious safeguarding issue because some people might react and say something you disagree with?

Meanwhile young Jeffery is looking ever more terrifying and has made a video where he apparently tells a ‘joke’:

Q ”What do taxidermists do for work?”

A “Stuff…”.

Then he makes ‘I’m keeping an eye on you’ gestures, smiles maniacally and makes odd ‘stuffing’ hand gestures and wheels off out of frame.

I’m not sure who this is aimed at or what message he is trying to send but given the current situation, it’s not a good look.

Btw I saw Jefferys original videos and the message was absolutely aimed at kids, encouraging them to ditch their parents and contact him on Patreon for ‘private chats’. Kids.

Sorry, you can try to twist it however you wish.

The outcome is that you have placed the responsibility for the threats from some people who simply cannot control their own violence onto her shoulders. I expect you believe that she should have kept silent and this is just one tactic to blame her.

Your denial that you are doing it doesn't make it true that you are not doing it.

But it's not "issues with having a following." The issue is that she said something a man didn't want said, and she and her family have been viciously attacked for it.

She is allowed to have a social media following, to be famous, to have fans etc. She's allowed to give her thoughts and commentary on others. Or do you think women should just shut up in case men don't like what we say? Maybe not go after dark in case men don't like that either?

What you're doing is the very definition of victim blaming. Your denial of that is either down to stupidity or attempts at gaslighting.

Either way, I'm offended by the 'witch' in your name. Clearly you're more on the side of the witchhunters.

I didnt say it was deserved, just pointing out the issues with the internet and having a following, especially a monetised one.

I also want to point out, that while this video may well be well intentioned, telling people who you have no idea about their sexual situation that getting over their lack of ability to relax in sex is a 'process' without suggesting seeking some profession therapy for overcoming the trauma etc. is rather problematic.

Can you imagine a child in an abusive relationship hearing this ? Because there is no context around it all, just this video. On tik tok.

You are literally blaming this woman for "sticking her foot in it and bringing shit to her doorstep."

No. She offered an opinion, and was terrorised by TRAs threatening her and her children's lives and wellbeing.

I want to point out that the patreon video was one that Shumirun posted.

As to what we can do for her, I don't know. Keep fighting to expose the behaviour that she so bravely pointed out?

Here is part of the Patreon video.

twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1632178422804824066?s=20

While I cannot find the Patreon video, this is overlapping on some of the topic.

I suggest that any male who is releasing video's such as this, they are missing one fucking big elephant in the room..... I don't think I need to point it out, but here goes. Firstly, that the sex is fully consensual and not abusive in any way.... oh... yeah... that isn't mentioned at all. There is a reason that random people untrained in dealing with such issues with children should not be making these videos.

twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1633486320633884677?s=20