TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

As I stated in my post, you can find the sort of threads rather easily on Twitter to confirm for yourself who it was that was saying those types of things (and what other posts those accounts normally make). Or you can just deny that it happened without bothering to check.

I did not go looking for hate-filled rhetoric, I went looking for like-minded people that were posting #IStandWithShumirunNessa. There was the usual hostility and nastiness from some on the TWAW-side that I reported/blocked as appropriate (no surprise there). What did make for a surprise, which is why I found it noteworthy enough to post about, were some of the responses from those I had expected to offer solidarity/support to Shumirun.

I can't say that I do "know very well" @Righthandcider that "Nobody here has anything in common with those despicable people", especially given that the comments following my post seem to imply that what I've said must be unfounded/inaccurate instead of criticising the Islamophobic rhetoric aimed at Shumirun.

I also don't see why, in a thread about the abuse and threats Shumirun has received, I should not mention insults directed at her in relation to her video exposing JM's grooming just because they were not from the TWAW side.

@Helleofabore I do not know whether any of those women would describe themselves as feminists and did not use that term but used the phrase "GC side" because that was the type of content I saw on their TL.

@PatatiPatatras I don't fully understand your comment. If someone posts content that states or implies they believe sex is immutable, in what way are they not "on the gender critical side"? Your sentence about being "on the Hitler side" is particularly confusing. It seems like your saying me mentioning the Islamophobic responses Shumirun received is equivalent to me saying everyone GC is Islamophobic - given that I am GC and not Islamophobic (or prejudiced towards any other group for that matter) that is preposterous. I ask that you re-read my post because you will see no such sweeping and offensive generalisation.

Again I do not see why I, or others, should not be allowed to mention the Islamophobic responses Shumirun received following her highlighting JM's grooming, on a thread that is about the threats and abuse she received following her highlighting JM's grooming.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter.

I don't know anyone "on the GC side" who would post anything like that and I doubt that any posters here do, either.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter.

I'm fairly confident in saying that every last GC person on these threads is here because they care about the safety of women and children. Shumirun is a woman, with children.

Nobody here has anything in common with those despicable people as you probably know very well.

I did always wonder how the idea of women became political and here we have it.
Rando talks shite on twitter AND they believes sex matters, so it is safe to assume "they are on the gender critical side".
Oh well all those who believe in not eating animals but who have slightly dodgy attitudes must be on the Hitler side.
@MisogynyNonConforming - I'm guessing that would be an appropriate assumption?
Sounds like a world where things need to sound nice, they don't need to make sense.

”There was a lot of Islamophobic crap, comments like "I hope they annihilate each other", "I'm so happy" with popcorn-eating GIFs, and even referring to Shumirun as a grifter”

Feminists were tweeting those things?

Or people who similarly believe that sex is immutable for their own motivations that don’t really reflect any feminist thought at all?

I'm glad that petition was taken down and some people are genuinely trying to show their support for Shumirun with that hashtag. I hope my low expectations of the police are proven wrong and charges are actually brought against the biggest players involved - not just for the physical violence but the incitement to violence, too.

I have to say I was deeply disgusted by the some of the comments on the, I suppose, GC side on Twitter. There was a lot of Islamophobic crap, comments like "I hope they annihilate each other", "I'm so happy" with popcorn-eating GIFs, and even referring to Shumirun as a grifter (I don't believe for one second that person would have posted that if Shumirun was a white atheist/Christian). I'm not going to post links to that stuff because there was very little (if any) opposition to it and made my blood boil. If you're keen to see for yourself I'm sure you can find those threads rather easily, unfortunately.

I don't care what anyone's beliefs, or lack thereof, are (and I don't think she mentioned them anyway), this woman and her family have been horrifically targeted. No one should be taking joy from that.

Waiting for @ElonsMusks evidence is the 21st Century equivalent of Waiting for Godot.

I reckon their dog ate that just as they were about to show us!

Is this false narrative part of your special science? Still waiting.

”Could you show your evidence of this 'selective editing to create a false narrative' please?”

I would like to see this false narrative evidence too.

Because either that poster is another who has jumped on a thread without seeing the number of videos that we have and that have seemed to now be deleted, or they cannot recognise safeguarding issues at all.

Let’s see how this false narrative is shown by elon

OMG, this has Jefferey Marsha taxidermist clip in ...It's horrifying!

OH MY GOD HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO BE THAT LEVEL OF CREEPY. Some of these guys should be studied by horror film directors- if I was in a dark corridor with Marsh at one end and the Babadook at the other I'd run straight towards the Babadook.

Why do people who are not horror connoisseurs watch his stuff though? Why does he have fans who harass and threaten people on his behalf? OK - those fans are probably just like him, but there must be some relatively normal people who watch him or even pay for his Patreon. How are there any people who aren't seeing the red flags jumping up and down and screaming?

(MN before you delete me just watch the clip. It's fair and reasonable comment. twitter.com/ilovepreserves/status/1635156023127445505?s=19)

Also, and you probably don't know this, but telling children to go no contact with their parents, isolating them from their care givers, and talking to them in private, is a huge safeguarding breach.

even if that's not the motive. It's desensitising children to a dangerous situation.

Your - autocorrect is determined today

Jeffrey Marsh is cringe but she selectively edited his/their statements to paint a false narrative. He's just a harmless weirdo.

Wow, this seems like an actual falsifiable argument! Instead of vague accusations

Could you show your evidence of this 'selective editing to create a false narrative' please?

As for whether Marsh is harmless... time will tell, (as will dogs and small children, no doubt.) Meanwhile, it doesn't sound like you are a mother or anyone else who has a duty of protection and care towards children, so thankfully your opinion is mostly harmless.

She did not paint a false narrative.

and Marsh is not a harmless weirdo? I don’t know whether you’re calling Marsh that is transphobic or just plain unaware of behaviour that seeks to lower sexual boundaries of children.

How do you know that? Do you know what he says privately, as he's asked children to contact him off grid? Do you have access to that?

Hahaha. But if he hadn’t said those things, she couldn’t have commented on it could she? Does anything she has posted deserve doxing, car vandalism and her children threatened? If he’s just a harmless weirdo, why the outrage when she uses his pen videos to show who he really is?

Jeffrey Marsh is cringe but she selectively edited his/their statements to paint a false narrative. He's just a harmless weirdo.

They won't.

Trans Teflon is a helluva defence.

If he took out a gun and shot a kid in the street, there would still be people defending him.

It's fake news.
It's been edited.
He's updated since then.
He didn't say it.
It's been twisted.
And who can forget the golden oldie it's transphobic.

Same old, same fucking old. 🤔

For once I'm not going to screen shot! (I'd probably get deleted) But I'm inclined to agree with him.

In the comments below......

twitter.com/uhler_jon/status/1635182915834515457?s=20

strategy 1:

It's HER fault for saying true things that made us uncomfortable, look what she made us do!! If she'd kept her mouth shut we wouldn't have to behave in this utterly appalling, unacceptable way. Make her shut up so we don't do it again!

(Because apparently independent thought, self control, basic social awareness, impulse control and any ability to take personal responsibility is missing from a very large number of those leading this movement against this women. How interesting.)

strategy 2:

Well the person who did x probably isn't really as bad as all that and that bit might be arguable as maybe not quite the way it's looking, and oh that bit was faked! Yes it was! It was definitely - well ok, but you're being really harsh in judging it and all the cool people think it's ok. Well everyone elses Mum is letting them say it's ok.

(Because if it wasn't that bad then this appalling, vicious mob attack on this woman, the threats against her and her kids, are apparently... justifiable. Even more interesting. Psychologists could get entire lecture tours out of this.)

I'll await strategy 3, it's an old friend: you're right wing, (oh boy you have no idea, I am seriously concerned an actual right wing backlash may appear and it will shock the pants off this group who are used to vile bullying of leftie mums who do actually care about them as well as themselves even if at this point they have no patience left) you love KJK, you're all literally Hitler, you smell and you'll be dead soon.

(Yes darling. Have you finished your homework?)

And seasonofyhewitch83 flubbed the pronouns for the creep he is assiduously defending - the evidence exists on this very thread. The irony of this fatuous defence of pronouns as 'transrights'...

So let me get this right:
Dude engages in first step of typical abusers - isolate individuals from their friends and families.
Dude isolation tactic is exposed online.
Cult members fan club threaten exposer.
Sea lion turns up to say the abuse step 1 red flag is wrong but the woman is irresponsible for not protecting the cult sorry company sorry club reputation whilst whistle blowing.
Hmm...

Anyway, JM reminds me of my dad. He still is my mum's only family. She's estranged from her dad, her mum, her 5 siblings, 5 children and she can't speak to neighbours and has no friends - "because no one appreciated her for who she is" - and - he can see the real her... yeah, whatever.

How do we help this whistle blower?