TikToker who exposed Jeffrey Marsh hounded bullied

My god he makes my skin crawl ! I hope the police take this seriously

Not victim blaming at all - just pointing out how easy it is to build up a following on social media these days with absolutely no experience, no support from management or even a PR company, and accidentally stick your foot in it and bring shit to your doorstep.

perhaps this is a lesson for many on the power that social media can hold. She has an audience of 7M followers and she has managed to accidentally whip up a wave of hatred on both sides. If that was me, I would delete the app. Not worth it.

Aye, women should just shut up when they see a risk to children, lest they 'whip up a wave of hatred'. Best say nothing like a good girl, eh?

Victim blaming at its finest.

yes. good point.

So, go and search some more. Or accept that we have seen the videos that have been removed from public viewing. I have watched them before.

Or, is there a reason you would choose to accept one group of people on social media who have a now proven record for not being able to recognise safeguarding issues, or even emotional coercion, over people who are calling it out, knowing that the person who people are saying have been doing things seems to have rapidly removed videos from public viewing and changed their Patreon settings since this video came out?

I suggest you consider this and if you cannot find the 'evidence' because it has been removed from public view, ask yourself why was it removed?

It is abhorrent that her children have become involved - perhaps this is a lesson for many on the power that social media can hold. She has an audience of 7M followers and she has managed to accidentally whip up a wave of hatred on both sides. If that was me, I would delete the app. Not worth it.

This is a man in his mid 40s on a very youth led platform who repeatedly addresses kids directly, encourages them repeatedly to go no contact with their parents, and insists that he loves and cares for them; and encourages them
to talk privately with him in on Patreon.

If Marsh looked like just some hairy arsed bloke down the pub, but said and acted in the same way, do you think people would defend him or rightly flag him as an utter creep? Because it seems a bit of lipstick and a floral shirt is all a man needs to have any legitimate criticism on the grounds of child protection dismissed as bigotry.

All of this is just horrendous.

Poor Shumirun.

How has it got to the point that if a person exposes concerns about a trans person they receive death threats?

I think the point made about the reasons those women at the start of the video wouldn't define women is valid. We just can't talk about these things.

I really hope the police support Shumirun, how can we have women questioned for tweets but cars damaged and threats against children ignored because 'transphobia'?

I'm not sure what there is to be 'wrong' about.

Whether deliberate or not, suggesting
children should stop speaking to their parents and 'come over' to him is conditioning and desensitising them to similar persuasion.

That's the whole point. It's a safeguarding breach.

Marsh knew this and continued.

Over and over.

And other people want marsh to continue to such an extent that they will threaten women and children who blow the whistle.

It's terrorism. How utterly awful that this woman is being left alone to deal with this.

Let's be real, even if he isn't a groomer in the traditional sense of the word, he still is one. What possible reason could he have in influencing children and young adults? I'd call someone trying to do this for religious reason a groomer as well.

Yes, and even if Shumirun was wrong about Marsh (seems unlikely since she used his they's own words and videos) that wouldn't justify the hate, threats, and car damage.

And then she doesn't even acknowledge whether Jeffrey is a predator or not. She tells her off and calls it "problematic" that she "infiltrated" the group. Surely it should make a huge difference to whether it is "problematic" depending on how true it is. She doesn't even try to defend Jeffrey. She jumps straight to "he shouldn't have been exposed". Chilling.

"I have so much learning and unlearning that I have been doing".

Maybe she should spend her effort on valuable life skills instead.

What rumours?
What was debunked?
Who debunked them?
What was reactionary?
What was 'fake news'?

@Seasonofthewitch83 you seem to know an awful lot about this without knowing anything about it.

Sorry, yes, I've gone down a rabbithole.

Of course threats to a woman and her children for raising concerns about an internet 'coach' is the main focus of this thread.

It's funny, I'd presumed Jeffrey would have a background in psychotherapy, psychology, something like that. They present theyself as if they is a therapist. But no:

'Marsh attended college at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia and earned a BFA in Musical Theater, later moving to New York City to pursue a career in cabaret performance[1] before becoming an internet celebrity[2] and leader in the LGBTIQ community.[3]'

This would explain the egregious ignorance of boundaries, safeguarding and appropriate behaviour wrt 'counselling' strangers on the internet.

They present as a 'coach', which fair enough requires no qualifications as it's a pretty meaningless term.

www.jeffreymarsh.com/coaching

'MEET THE COACH:

Jeffrey has studied and taught Zen for over twenty years. Their rigorous training while living as a monk at a Buddhist Monastery in California (as chronicled in ‘How To Be You’) resulted in Jeffrey receiving the status of Precepted Facilitator in the Soto Zen tradition of Buddhism. The rank of Precepted Facilitator is an elite category and marks a Zen practitioner trained to assist anyone toward spiritual growth.'

The use of a 'Buddhist' identity as some kind of qualification to coach is interesting.

The 'rank' of precepted facilitator is, as far as I know, also meaningless. Zen practitioners generally give their lineage, school, affiliations when discussing these type of things, and certainly if presenting themselves as teachers. Jeffrey doesn't.

It would be interesting to see which school of Soto Zen they is with, and what that school think about Jeffrey being a 'Facilitator' as an 'elite category'.

('Precepted' I can only surmise means he's taken his precept vows. This means you've gone through a sort of commitment ceremony where you promise to follow the zen path. It's generally a pretty early step on the path, certainly doesn't qualify anyone to teach according to most reputable schools.)

www.sfzc.org/offerings/establishing-practice/sixteen-bodhisattva-precepts

There's a list of teachers there, which gives a good idea of how they usually present their qualifications/experience. See how they list schools, teachers, history, affiliations?

Agreed!

This is a good point. It doesn't really matter if Shumirun's criticisms were justified or not. Threatening people, and their children, is unacceptable (likely criminal) and vandalism is definitely illegal.

Although this thread isn't really about they's videos, is it? It's about the threats to Shumirun and to her children.

That's on Marsh's own youtube, where you can watch all of they's videos.

'being the internet mom'

'if you've been rejected by everybody you can be in my family. I want you over here'

Thank you, will have a read