These young women seem so fearful of defining ‘what is a woman’

The video seems very heavily edited - it cuts about a lot. I don't like that - if you want to air a discussion, air it all. Don't pick and choose the bits that make some of the people look the most stupid.

It’s frustrating to witness their answers, but even so, you know they don’t believe it. The amount of hemming and hawing says enough.

He doesn’t respect their answers regardless…it was infuriating to watch him cut across them as they’re speaking.

The first woman asked the question was fully self-id. The last in the sequence was GC. Maybe it's faked/set up?

True, because they are not expected to be inclusive and they don't get viciously attacked for not being inclusive.

Even more generally, we should have much more debate about what 'man' might be. That we don't have those debates is because the gender ideology is deeply sexist .

I would love to see a group of young men being asked what they think a man is. I would bet my last rolo they would all be able to articulate a definition that did not even mention transmen . And would any of them say they weren’t “comfortable” answering the question!

Well, none of us have been able to. I haven't seen a decent description, yet. And MP's were asked and they couldn't define it.

When the Sec of State for Education can't define girl, what hope do our young people have.

"He wasn’t trying to understand. He was trying to force them to define something that doesn’t really need to be defined. A woman is a person!"

First comment there. "A woman is a person". Hallelujah.

It's cruel to create that situation, and I suspect that dislike of women is behind this. If those are just ordinary young women who are not well versed with what's happening or who are not activists, asking them this question really is to give them a Hobson's choice between two impossibly nasty things: Either pretend that you don't know what a woman is and so avoid being canceled, harassed etc., or state what a woman is and then get canceled, harassed etc.

You can choose to either be abused or forced to lie and be submissive.

Very few though it's the shouty/scared minority.

Can assure you maybe outside of the London metro mob young and old women are just as fiesty as they ever were snd absolutely know what a woman is.

You have to stop thinking what's on the echo chamber of Twitter is actually what's happening up and down the country in RL.

My dd and her friends lads and girls are mid 20s snd howl at such nonsense. Similarly my dss mid 30s and my friends mis 50s know tis all nonsence and will pass like all fads

It's done for sturgeon and will do for Labour unless Kier gets a fucking grip

What if every woman with GC views got cancelled en masse. That's what's needed - a class action of sorts. Can't fire every woman in the world. The fear is a personal one and understandable though. Got to stand together, but sadly I don't see a lot of that these days, just fear and cult like adherence to the trans message.

Hopefully the tide keeps on turning.

We should get angry. These women may have been "chosen" or "volunteered", but walk around any university campus and you will find a similar lack of spine, likewise timid women in workplaces afraid (understandably) of losing their jobs.

It's because it is only recently that enough women are getting angry that we are beginning to see a backlash against this TWAW agenda. I don't get angry because of social media. I get angry because so many women are colluding in a big lie, ultimately to their own detriment.

God* grant me the courage to explain that a woman is an adult human female. But I do “get” their squirms of embarrassment. Until I was banned from Twitter I didn’t dare say anything on trans vs women’s rights for fear of a pile-on, no matter how careful, tactful or neutral I tried to be.

*I don’t believe in God, but still.

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It’s a ‘gotcha’ question. They no full well that the wrong answer will see them cancelled so why would you set yourself up. If I were on video and it was going to posted on Twitter I’m not even sure I’d answer. I’d rather plead the 5th and save my job.

Again though - we don't know who these young women are or why they are featured. It might be they were chosen at random, they might have volunteered, or they might have been specially selected because of the views they hold. That's not to say that many young women don't think like that - there are lots of surveys showing many do (also the SFW protesters), and surveys showing many others are scared to say what they really think out loud. But there's no point getting angry at social media videos designed to make you get angry.

This made me angry. I was a second wave feminist - spent the 60s and 70s fighting for all the rights these women take for granted. A lot of the time I and my fellow feminists were sneered at, denigrated, ostracised, called man haters and so on, but we kept pushing and took no shit. Now I feel why did I bother when a sizeable proportion of young women are so spineless.

It's obvious none of them believe the garbage they are parroting to avoid a pile on from Blokeo Harem. The good news, I hope, is that with the tide turning more people will be emboldened to ditch the batshit mentalism in favour of the stuff everyone believed until five minutes ago-you remember, truth, reality, science and biology.

This is a really good point

It's why i wonder if Boghossian might have got different answers. Instead of putting people on the spot he gets them to physically stand where they consider themselves to be on a question then sees if they are persuaded enough by arguments to move their position.

@Awumminnscotland Yeah - there is a whole trend where one "rational man" interviews a selection of young, usually pretty women in low strappy tops and the man says something like "look around you, look around you, everything around you was built by a MAN etc etc" and they look confused/have no answer. And then the video is titled "x DESTROYS feminist arguments". No idea if the women in the videos consider themselves feminists, if they volunteered or are being paid to appear (and look baffled). Either is possible - and its certainly true that lots of young women ARE afraid of defining what a woman is. But it could also be completely made up for Youtube likes (like those videos where a man asks a girl out and she says she has a boyfriend and then he shows her his fancy car and she changes her mind. And its all actors).

I don't like sharing things like that unless I know more about the source - even if it supports my argument because so much of this stuff is not real and appealing to peoples (including my own) cognitive bias.

These girls (our daughters) are all scared. They're being systematically threatened and bullied at all stages.

Such a sad sad clip.

Those girls are terrified.

I wonder whether Peter Boghossian could have teased some concessions out or not.

On a certain level, it's like they have been asked to say the N word. They know they aren't allowed to say it.