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BMJ's editor on evidence void and overtreatment of gender dysphoria

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mirax · 11/03/2023 03:12

This isnt a very substantive article but it suggests what was once unthinkable - that the much touted gender affirming care was not properly evidenced - and counsels caution.
"“Much of this clinical practice is supported by guidance from medical societies and associations, but closer inspection…finds that the strength of clinical recommendations is not in line with the strength of the evidence.”

They are backing away slowly in anticipation of the Cass Review.
www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p553

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unwashedanddazed · 11/03/2023 16:26

Although not substantive, I think that the fact that it's the BMJ gives it a gravitas that is very useful. The Tavistock is the world's largest paediatric gender clinic and for too long it's been assumed they know what they're doing and thus have been copied the world over. It needs serious professional pushback to reverse the course of events. Articles like this will help.

NotWaterproof · 11/03/2023 16:15

I came across a YouTube link that helped me understand the NHS mental health stance better.

It's an interview with a religious woman, she wrote a book which has the religious slant.

I noted that like David Starkey in his (I think it was on) Triggernometry interview they both pinpoint the same beginning point in time.

somanybooks · 11/03/2023 16:08

MavisMcMinty · 11/03/2023 16:00

I keep saying this but I can’t get over how little data collection, audit or research was carried out by GIDS over the decades. From the world-renowned Tavistock, the UK’s flagship (only) gender dysphoria service, and it seems that their only evidence was that of charities with an almost evangelical agenda.

So shocking. The only conclusion I can reach is that maybe MH services aren’t bound by the same obligations of any other clinical service to audit and research, to ensure best practice based on actual evidence.

Absolutely agree. Shockingly unprofessional.

somanybooks · 11/03/2023 16:08

What shocks me most is how many medical workers were complicit in this. They come from multiple disciplines - drs, nurses, pharmacists, psychologists etc - each with their own codes of practice and standards, including training of and an expectation for evidence based care (especially in the NHS to ensure good use of public funding), and yet still there was enough complacency, enough just mindlessly going along with it, that we end up here. Absolutely systemic failings of course, but also individual professional failings from every person involved in my opinion.

MavisMcMinty · 11/03/2023 16:00

I keep saying this but I can’t get over how little data collection, audit or research was carried out by GIDS over the decades. From the world-renowned Tavistock, the UK’s flagship (only) gender dysphoria service, and it seems that their only evidence was that of charities with an almost evangelical agenda.

So shocking. The only conclusion I can reach is that maybe MH services aren’t bound by the same obligations of any other clinical service to audit and research, to ensure best practice based on actual evidence.

PorcelinaV · 11/03/2023 15:41

Trans side appeals to authority:

"All these medical organisations agree with me"

Because you pressured them into it, in the first place?

NotWaterproof · 11/03/2023 15:33

Other factors need to be weighed up, such as how invasive is the intervention you are recommending.

I would suggest reporting parents as a safeguarding risk for not going along with the ideology was an overly invasive intervention.

BonfireLady · 11/03/2023 07:14

Interesting article and sounds positive, particularly in highlighting the risk over over treatment as above. My only slight concern is the following (emphasis added by me):

. Taking this route is essential: an evidence void not only exposes people to overtreatment but can also be used to deny people the care that they seek, such as through the draconian laws now being introduced in some US states (doi:10.1136/bmj.p533).

This links through to an article about a number of states that it says have brought in laws which are similar to Sweden and Finland.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 11/03/2023 03:41

The risk of overtreatment of gender dysphoria is real.

Wow.
Feels significant.