Street preacher's misgendering conviction quashed

Does this mean that I can't prosecute every person who has called me cis then? Shame. If I sued just the TRAs on MN I'd have been rich.

It is nonsense as you say. But it is also proof that they are not much persecuted if misgendering is the worst thing they can think of to.have people arrested for.

I’m sure I’d find a lot of this street preaching fella’s views offensive but in the UK, Religious Belief is protected in law in much the same way as Gender Reassignment (Equality Act)/ Transgender Identity (Hate Crimes) is.

One of those protections doesn’t trump another so the ‘gentleman’ in the story is perfectly entitled to express an inner sense of gender via sartorial choice but can’t expect followers of an old religion to immediately acquiesce to the demands of this brand new gendery one.

A tolerant society holds space for both the religious preacher and the person with the special gender.

I vaguely recall a video of a young gay man on MCR Pride weekend performing an impromptu but professionally accomplished and EXTREMELY dramatic dance routine right in front of a street preacher - a far more interesting response to a chance encounter of clashing protected characteristics than wasting loads of public funds on a pointless and unsuccessful prosecution.

Tbf I think it would be all over MN if GC protestors/speakers were arrested by police officers wearing rainbows or with LBGTQ tattoos.

Dave was preaching to save souls from the devil for Christ and is arrested by a someone bearing the symbols of the devil.

of course they are going to mention it.

This Christian org seem particularly bothered by the police officers tats, which seems to be a lot about their own prejudices than anything else. The police officers should not have ignored criminal damage and assault towards the preacher, but there's no need to see conspiracy and nefarious intent on the basis of some interesting tattoos.

Not prejudices, it says something about their beliefs - namely that they hold Christian beliefs and as such are offended by occultic signs. They represent works of the devil. The symbolism couldn’t be more clear to the street preacher or Christian Concern.

Dave represents the first street preacher in the UK to be prosecuted and reported to counter-terrorism for ‘misgendering’ a member of the public while sharing the gospel.

WTAF?? Counter-terrorism for misgendering?

I feel this is a good decision and I hope an indication that the tide is turning

I have very little sympathy for people asking street preachers (or anyone else) what their views are on a particular matter and then claiming to be traumstised when they get a truthful response. If you're that upset by the idea that people disagree with you about something, why would you purposefully go up to a person and ask them about it?

Completely. This is someone desperately seeking a reason to be upset and offended.

As I resd it, the man was preaching generally on Christian beliefs and not specifically on homosexuality. He only spoke about that when someone in the crowd asked him about LGBT.

I have very little sympathy for people asking street preachers (or anyone else) what their views are on a particular matter and then claiming to be traumstised when they get a truthful response. If you're that upset by the idea that people disagree with you about something, why would you purposefully go up to a person and ask them about it?

If I identified as the opposite sex, and found it upsetting to be "misgendered", I wouldn't go around asking random people whether they see me as a man or woman.

There's video footage of at least some of the incident here, along with pictures of the police officers tattoos elsewhere on the same site.

christianconcern.com/news/win-for-street-preacher-as-misgendering-conviction-overturned/

This Christian org seem particularly bothered by the police officers tats, which seems to be a lot about their own prejudices than anything else. The police officers should not have ignored criminal damage and assault towards the preacher, but there's no need to see conspiracy and nefarious intent on the basis of some interesting tattoos.

Italic fail
Was quoting the citation from LBC

"a police officer with pentagram tattoos started collating evidence"
That's identifying and not relevant, unless I've missed something. ^Was it a WPC?
Also, whatever happened to the word 'transvestite'?^

How have so many people forgotten the concept of free speech? The idea that I hate what you say but I'll defend your right to say it.

Go ahead with criminalising speech you don't like if you want to, but don't come crying to me when your opinions are suddenly considered beyond the pale. Do you really want to give up the right to express your own thoughts?

Amazing!! A court case involving a self identifying trans person that reached the right decision! I'm so used to completely fucked up decisions being made on this subject that I was expecting the same result with this one. Men identifying as women and their supporters are free to have their ideology but others should not be legally forced to follow it.

Yes it's a ridiculous argument. People with abhorrent views are still entitled to the protection of the law. Land seems to be arguing for an 'any bad view and you're on your own mate' version of justice which quite frankly would be bad news for the femphobic person who said he was a woman

I am not sure why Christians have decided this is a "religious" belief and not a statement of the bleeding obvious. The Bible doesn't really say anything about it (because it's bleeding obvious).

His views on homosexuality are abhorrent to me but he saw a man standing in front of him and correctly referred to that man as a man. His right to do so is lawful and it doesn’t matter if I agree with other beliefs he holds.
You do understand that, don’t you?

Jfc. No one is "championing" this man. Can you really not tell the difference between people agreeing that he should have had his conviction quashed and people agreeing with his other statements??

Does he get compensation for the community service now?

I notice that he also claimed that homosexuality was an “abomination”.

It is absolutely fascinating for me to watch people on a feminist discussion board championing a man who preaches about his hatred of lesbians.

Now what about that autistic teen who was confused about some police officer being a man or woman and saying it out loud. Disability discrimination.

Ah, I see. Thought it was an odd detail!

That report is from a Christian news website who presumably think that pentagrams are a sign of satanism or witchcraft or something. Rather than being a goth, or a heavy metal rocker or just liking a bit of goth/occult styling etc etc.

However, rather than controlling the crowd, a police officer with pentagram tattoos started collating evidence on how Dave had ‘misgendered’ the ‘trans woman’ before arresting him.

😳