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Am I Reading This Right?... Rosie Duffield Throwing KJK Under The Bus?!

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EpicChaos · 10/03/2023 02:23

From what i can tell, Rosie has quote tweeted a lloyd russell tweet, that is having a go at Kellie J.
Rosie it seems, has thrown Kellie under the bus by claiming, ' look i'm not like that other woman, so listen to me '! That's how i'm reading it anyway.
If so, that's the last time i hop in when it's rosie getting all the flak, she can do one!
I notice Bindle is there too!

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EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:57

If a social services referral is made, the parents will be informed. It’s how it works.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 08:57

Natsku · 10/03/2023 08:55

If a 12 year old goes to a doctor because she's pregnant or needs contraception the doctor's first point of call should be SS, not the parents, because of the likelihood of a family member being the one raping the 12 year old or the risk of a violent response from parents e.g. honour killing.

And that’s fine.

The main thing is that safeguarding protocols are begun. Social services can then decide how to proceed re: parents.

AlisonDonut · 10/03/2023 08:57

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Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:56

Seems like you don't understand who children most need protection from.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 08:55

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:50

You think the doctor should call up her potential rapist and ask if he's okay with her having reproductive autonomy?

An 8 year old child doesn’t actually have any autonomy, let alone reproductive autonomy.

Children can’t consent to sex, so they can’t consent to contraception and abortion either and need a legal guardian to do so on their behalf.

You seem awfully like those who advocate for ‘queering the boundaries’ of childhood, frankly.

Natsku · 10/03/2023 08:55

If a 12 year old goes to a doctor because she's pregnant or needs contraception the doctor's first point of call should be SS, not the parents, because of the likelihood of a family member being the one raping the 12 year old or the risk of a violent response from parents e.g. honour killing.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:54

Well that's what she said...

drwitch · 10/03/2023 08:53

@AlisonDonut this is nice guidelines it's not the nspcc view. Just posted to make it clear that there are quite a lot of safeguards already.
Sometimes though it's not in the best interest of the child to inform the parents or carers

Helleofabore · 10/03/2023 08:53

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:47

So you disagree with her that parents should always be involved? Because that's what she's arguing

Is she? Is she arguing that parents should be involved at all times? Can you evidence that? That she argues that abusive parents should have authority over their child. I would like to see you post her saying what you have accused her of please.

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:52

Seems like @Elizaazile is advocating for an end to child protection services.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:52

Mothers are unfortunately often complicit in family sexual abuse

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:51

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:50

You think the doctor should call up her potential rapist and ask if he's okay with her having reproductive autonomy?

They would probably call the mother. If it’s the dad is a single parent, they wouldn’t let her return home.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:51

No, I think 8 year olds make fantastic mothers.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 08:51

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:42

I absolutely do, but if they know that's going to happen, if that's their only route to access, they aren't going to go. And she wasn't talking just about social services, she was talking about the potential rapist needing to be the one who okays access.

The mum clearly isn‘t the one who raped and impregnated her child tho, is she?

Tweak the law so parents must be told but can’t refuse consent.

Parents can’t refuse to consent to blood transfusions on behalf of a child so the legal framework must already be there.

But we absolutely should not be enabling a situation where a paedo rapist can take his victim to a doctor and have them fix his problem and enable him to keep raping the child.

Because it is rape.

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:50

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:48

I think any age of girl should have complete access to these things (assuming they are medically okay for her) and they should choose if their parents are involved or not.

Yikes. An 8 year old girl? No protocols followed?

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:50

Well that's a recipe for more abuse.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:50

You think the doctor should call up her potential rapist and ask if he's okay with her having reproductive autonomy?

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:49

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:47

So you disagree with her that parents should always be involved? Because that's what she's arguing

No, the parents should always be involved, but if it seems there is sexual abuse at home, the doctors would probably let social services completely manage it. They may also prevent the child from going home until the perpetrator is removed and they can guarantee her safety.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:48

I think any age of girl should have complete access to these things (assuming they are medically okay for her) and they should choose if their parents are involved or not.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:47

So you disagree with her that parents should always be involved? Because that's what she's arguing

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:46

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:43

Yes. But they don't run and tell the abusers, do they?

If the doctor is concerned they with tell social services and will let them deal with it. They’ll just tell the parents they’ve made a referral but will leave it to SS to provide the detail and manage it if they think the child will be put at risk in any way.

Helleofabore · 10/03/2023 08:46

FourTeaFallOut · 10/03/2023 08:26

'Young Woman' is doing some heavy lifting there when we are talking about a 12 year old girl.

I think this is the issue. ‘Young women’? What age are you referring to here Elizaazile?

And what age group do you think KJK was talking about?

Soontobe60 · 10/03/2023 08:46

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:25

And safeguarding means denying young women contraceptives and abortion??

No, it means looking at the reasons behind why a 12 year old girl might need to access such services. Or do you think if a 12 year old turns up pregnant at her GP and requests an abortion the GP should just agree without exploring how she actually got pregnant in the first place? Who it was that impregnated her? Raped her?

AlisonDonut · 10/03/2023 08:46

drwitch · 10/03/2023 08:41

nspcc link for interest. Not clear to me whether kjk was saying there are not enough protections here or that we need to keep these safeguards

The NSPCC?

I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

Are you not aware of rubber wank man and that they don't consider it child abuse if the child doesn't feel it is abusive?

They lost their moral compass years ago.

FourTeaFallOut · 10/03/2023 08:46

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:43

Yes. But they don't run and tell the abusers, do they?

No, they deal with the risk of pregnancy and then send them back into the fold, like an express service for abusers.