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Am I Reading This Right?... Rosie Duffield Throwing KJK Under The Bus?!

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EpicChaos · 10/03/2023 02:23

From what i can tell, Rosie has quote tweeted a lloyd russell tweet, that is having a go at Kellie J.
Rosie it seems, has thrown Kellie under the bus by claiming, ' look i'm not like that other woman, so listen to me '! That's how i'm reading it anyway.
If so, that's the last time i hop in when it's rosie getting all the flak, she can do one!
I notice Bindle is there too!

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Helleofabore · 10/03/2023 09:10

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:54

Well that's what she said...

When? And what were the words?

Because I interpret these tweets with a focus on final part of the statement :

Tweets from 9/3/3023 19.27.

The issue of consent is that one leak leads to many. When thinking about how we’ve got here, a place where schools are able to socially transition kids behind their parents back, it’s essential to rigorously examine all of the mechanisms that may have assisted.

This does not mean I endorse any kind of forced birth. Ever. But I cannot ignore that child traffickers have been able to exploit laws that enable vulnerable girls to be abused.I cannot ignore that it’s not only at risk under sixteen year olds that are given the pill. Without parents knowledge

There may well be a more appropriate way of protecting vulnerable girls without creating deceit in all families.

This idea of consent is dangerous and open to all sorts of abuses.

We should be careful to vigilantly monitor unintended consequences.

To be clear, I am referring to this:

There may well be a more appropriate way of protecting vulnerable girls without creating deceit in all families.

This idea of consent is dangerous and open to all sorts of abuses.

We should be careful to vigilantly monitor unintended consequences.

This does not indicate that she is advocating the extreme view you are saying she is.

What part of “This does not mean I endorse any kind of forced birth. Ever.” indicates that she is not about centring the child’s needs but supporting them within a family structure where it is safe?

She is clear in saying she is against ‘creating deceit within families’. She has not qualified that to the extreme you seem to have interpreted.

AlisonDonut · 10/03/2023 09:05

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:04

Worried about your kid talking to the doctor alone, are you?

It helps if you quote who you are resonding to otherwise you look completely mad. Oh hang on...

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:04

Worried about your kid talking to the doctor alone, are you?

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:03

I don't get the reference

AlisonDonut · 10/03/2023 09:03

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:01

Who said anything about hating men? This is about recognising who abuse comes from. Male relatives. You sound like a TRA.

Every accusation is a confession.

bellinisurge · 10/03/2023 09:03

@drwitch good to hear. But there were supposed to be loads of safeguards at the Tavistock. It is not unreasonable for people to be sceptical.
I don't think KJk expressed herself in a way I agree with but she is right that we need a conversation.
For the avoidance of doubt, if a girl under 16 wants access to abortion services, there is no question that this should be given promptly, sensitively and confidentially. Tbe safeguarding follow up should be similarly

RaininginDarling · 10/03/2023 09:03

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 08:30

Together they’ll create a safeguarding plan to protect that child, including protecting her from activity which could lead to pregnancy, contraception if that fails and abortion if necessary.

Seems you think a sexually active twelve year old is ‘nothing to see here’.

Agree @EndlessTea what we have here is a conflict between realists - who don't live in some theoretical utopia where young girls are never sexually exploited - and those who call themselves progressives and find any form of safeguarding repressive.

I feel sorry for today's parents as they seem endlessly characterised a danger to their child's needs and well-being by the people who know better.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:03

Um...exactly!!

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 09:02

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:01

Who said anything about hating men? This is about recognising who abuse comes from. Male relatives. You sound like a TRA.

Rotherham, Telford, Oxford…. Relatives?

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:01

Who said anything about hating men? This is about recognising who abuse comes from. Male relatives. You sound like a TRA.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 09:01

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 09:00

👀

Look familiar anyone? The undermining of parental responsibility- and the propagation of this idea that children mostly need protection from their own parents? 👀

”We are your family now”

It’s very Jeffrey Marsh, yes.

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 09:01

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 09:00

👀

Look familiar anyone? The undermining of parental responsibility- and the propagation of this idea that children mostly need protection from their own parents? 👀

”We are your family now”

In fact @Elizaazile you sound an awful lot like Jefferey Marsh.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 09:01

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:00

But you are arguing she should be forced to become a mother if her parents don't consent to abortion

SOCIAL SERVICES

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 09:00

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:59

Generally their fathers. Is this a feminist website or not?

It’s not feminist to enable rapists to get away with raping girls.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 09:00

But you are arguing she should be forced to become a mother if her parents don't consent to abortion

EndlessTea · 10/03/2023 09:00

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:56

Seems like you don't understand who children most need protection from.

👀

Look familiar anyone? The undermining of parental responsibility- and the propagation of this idea that children mostly need protection from their own parents? 👀

”We are your family now”

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 10/03/2023 09:00

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:57

This is insane...can children consent to becoming parents then?

12 year old girls cannot consent to sex or becoming mothers, no.
Which is why social services should be involved.
The girl has been raped.

AlisonDonut · 10/03/2023 09:00

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:59

Generally their fathers. Is this a feminist website or not?

Feminists don't hate men.

drwitch · 10/03/2023 08:59

@bellinisurge read the link in my post. The Fraser guidelines don't say any child can get BC. There are lots of safeguards.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:59

Generally their fathers. Is this a feminist website or not?

bellinisurge · 10/03/2023 08:58

That's "not to tell parents ". Good reason "not to tell parents "

SapphosRock · 10/03/2023 08:57

Natsku · 10/03/2023 08:55

If a 12 year old goes to a doctor because she's pregnant or needs contraception the doctor's first point of call should be SS, not the parents, because of the likelihood of a family member being the one raping the 12 year old or the risk of a violent response from parents e.g. honour killing.

This!

FourTeaFallOut · 10/03/2023 08:57

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:56

Seems like you don't understand who children most need protection from.

The current system doesn't prioritise protection, just contraception.

Elizaazile · 10/03/2023 08:57

This is insane...can children consent to becoming parents then?

bellinisurge · 10/03/2023 08:57

If doctors/healthcare professionals are not seeing red flags when they see a sexually active girl under the age of consent they aren't doing their jobs properly.
Yes, there may be plenty of 14 and 15 year olds making silly mistakes with boyfriends the same age, but there will also be abuse victims. Doling out BC to any under age girl who asks for it is anti safeguarding.
Obviously there may be a good reason it to tell parents but we need to have a conversation as to whether the Gillick ruling is still fit for purpose in this decision making.