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Tennessee Marriage Equality - The First to Fall

116 replies

invalide · 09/03/2023 13:09

The anti-LGBTQ political climate you are a part of has contributed to this bill passing. It was never going to stop at trans people.

I'm not some liberal for whom marriage equality is the be-all end-all metric of 'progress' or 'freedom', but it's indisputable we're looking at a backsliding of what limited recent progress has been made.

Tennessee Marriage Equality - The First to Fall
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/03/2023 10:35

This thread is the equivalent of the bigger older brother holding his little sister's hand and slamming it against her face, saying 'Stop hitting yourself"

Take it up with "invalide", then.

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 10:20

never one to mince my words.

mangle them yes, mince them no.

Righthandcider · 10/03/2023 10:16

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 09:00

So..let me get this right..something happened on another continent, mainly due to the backlash that had been caused by the T+ forcing themselves onto the LGB, despite many women and homosexual people saying no thank you. The T element brings with it so much homophobic rhetoric that people sick to the back teeth of having to address grown men with cocks claiming womanhood and lesbianhood as miss,

But we here are to blame.

ODFOD.

grown men with cocks

Saying it how it is Boiled!

Datun · 10/03/2023 10:08

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 09:00

So..let me get this right..something happened on another continent, mainly due to the backlash that had been caused by the T+ forcing themselves onto the LGB, despite many women and homosexual people saying no thank you. The T element brings with it so much homophobic rhetoric that people sick to the back teeth of having to address grown men with cocks claiming womanhood and lesbianhood as miss,

But we here are to blame.

ODFOD.

Well quite.

When you claim to represent the LGBT community, and you're telling people that men are lesbians, it's a bit rich to be shocked when they get pissed off.

The fucking hypocrisy stinks.

How many times did they threaten Get the L Out, or the LGB Alliance? It's not just forced teaming, it's forced teaming with threats of violence if they don't comply.

Plus, that's not even what the link says. The OP is inventing a specific backlash, that's not represented by the link, in order to have a go at the very people they're claiming to represent.

QuinkWashable · 10/03/2023 09:33

So what you're saying is, that it's women's fault that because we didn't give the QT everything we had, LGB people are losing their rights?

That sounds like blackmail to me.

Boiledbeetle · 10/03/2023 09:00

So..let me get this right..something happened on another continent, mainly due to the backlash that had been caused by the T+ forcing themselves onto the LGB, despite many women and homosexual people saying no thank you. The T element brings with it so much homophobic rhetoric that people sick to the back teeth of having to address grown men with cocks claiming womanhood and lesbianhood as miss,

But we here are to blame.

ODFOD.

nilsmousehammer · 10/03/2023 06:58

How are you doing for Twitter screenshots OP? Got what you needed yet, or can we help you out a little more?

ItsShiela · 10/03/2023 05:01

invalide · 09/03/2023 13:37

The same politicians who count themselves part of your political movement are the ones bringing about these laws. The debate whipped up around trans people's existence has simply been a foot in the door, an acceptable first target to shift the mainstream discourse further right.

The debate is about WOMENS existence, and our human rights. Not about trans. You are deeply, deeply ignorant and misinformed.

ItsShiela · 10/03/2023 04:59

You are gaslighting here. So because some on the right wing know what a woman is, all feminists are right wing? Hitler loved dogs. If you love dogs, are you aligned with the right wing? Putin eats cake. If you eat cake, do you support Putin's war? Try to at least have a modicum of intelligence above 9 year old to not make false equivalence arguments. To say nothing of the fact you are attacking women who are increasingly being assaulted by trans activists and the victims of hate speech by the violent, hateful and bigoted anti-woman group you support.

nilsmousehammer · 09/03/2023 22:58

Datun · 09/03/2023 13:16

Many women on here predicted, and were dreading, the LGB backlash as a result of trans ideology. You're blaming the wrong people.

Transactivists deliberately force teamed with homosexual rights, in order to authenticate their goals.

It's all documented in the Denton report.

What did you think women meant when they said trans ideology is regressive??

Transactivists don't even believe in homosexuality. Take it up with them.

Thread solved in one post. Epic. This is how the six of us and our socks control the USA. <evil cackle>

Incidentally OP, having seen the newly released Stonewall graphic today on what I'm allowed to think a lesbian is, and having seen that I'm not actually mentioned on it at all as a homosexual female as far as I can see and about 99% of it describes it as a trans identity available to anyone of either sex, apparently I'm not L any more. I've been bounced entirely from the LGBT+ definition.

So it's a bit rich really expecting me to be interested in what is happening to the rights of a group who have made it clear I'm nothing to do with them. Particularly when it's the consequences of their own actions that they're reaping.

JanesLittleGirl · 09/03/2023 22:46

So TERF island fucked the great state of Tennessee. Go us! I would like to see @invalide's reply to any of the responses on this thread but I fear that it was yet another "fire and forget" post.

mrshoho · 09/03/2023 19:53

Datun · 09/03/2023 13:16

Many women on here predicted, and were dreading, the LGB backlash as a result of trans ideology. You're blaming the wrong people.

Transactivists deliberately force teamed with homosexual rights, in order to authenticate their goals.

It's all documented in the Denton report.

What did you think women meant when they said trans ideology is regressive??

Transactivists don't even believe in homosexuality. Take it up with them.

Yes perfectly said.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 09/03/2023 19:46

GailBlancheViola · 09/03/2023 14:00

And yet we've been repeatedly told there are only 6 of us, no-one takes any notice of us, the general public are not on our side, politicians are not on our side, nobody is listening to us and yet, amazingly, we wield such power that we are able to exert influence on a Bill passed in a State in America.

Incredible.

Err like schrodingers feminist? Summat like that

PerkingFaintly · 09/03/2023 19:36

Arabella, I do not for one instant believe that your hard stare needs practice. Grin

QueenHippolyta · 09/03/2023 19:21

This Lesbian wants nothing to do with the TQIA rubbish. It created the backlash we all expected.
But worse the T drove young people to mutilate their bodies and harm their health. It's evil and unforgivable

I loathe the T

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 19:07

IcakethereforeIam · 09/03/2023 17:16

Hello OP 👋 I understand your concern but I think you're blaming the wrong people. Read the pp's replies with an open mind. Then take that pointy finger and look in a mirror.

I wish our visitors would realised when they stare into MN FWR, MN FWR stares back and does not blink.

Practising.

Angry How Dare You GIF by Paddington Bear
StephanieSuperpowers · 09/03/2023 19:04

Poor old our frequent correspondant @invalide . So much angst, so little sense. Unable to attempt even a partial post in defence of their thesis. A poor show even by his very low standards.

Retractable · 09/03/2023 18:57

Maybe public institutions should be forced to ensure they can accommodate gay couples without forcing individuals to act against their conscious.

I also think it’s imperative that we do not compel medical professionals to carry out procedures that they are morally opposed to. Hospitals should offer the service without compelling individual staff to carry out the procedures. It does only apply to a small number of procedures, which are matters of conscience for some people.

From a purely practical point of view, ensuring that the HCPs carrying out a termination are happy to do so ensure better quality care for the woman. Some HCPs will see providing the service as a matter of conscience just as others may see not providing it that way. It’s reasonable that the HCPs who are anti-abortion pass cases on to others.

Anactor · 09/03/2023 18:48

GrumpyPanda · 09/03/2023 18:41

For a registrars office? Sorry I don't agree with this. If a couple is forced to shop all over the county or farther to find a public institution willing to perform their wedding that's not on. The views of the registrar don't come into it - they don't like it they can go work at Starbucks. It's as bad as gyno nurses in public hospitals refusing to assist in abortions. Sweden's got the right idea if you ask me in firing anyone who ducks out of an integral part of their job in this fashion.

So you agree with TERFs being forced out of their jobs because they have views some people don't agree with?

The question is not whether, in the UK, a registrar has to marry everyone (they do). The question is whether the decision to exclude people of certain views from certain jobs is really allowing freedom of conscience.

In the case of registrars and gynae nurses, I suspect 'reasonable adjustments' (pass it on to a colleague) is a possible solution.

The problem we're seeing is that some activists don't want reasonable adjustments. They want forced agreement.

GrumpyPanda · 09/03/2023 18:41

Retractable · 09/03/2023 17:39

I simply don’t understand why anyone would want to be married by someone who didn’t believe you should be allowed to marry. A resentful official being compelled to act against their religious beliefs would considerably reduce the joy of the occasion.

From a practical perspective, it makes sense not to compel officials to officiate in gay marriages.

For a registrars office? Sorry I don't agree with this. If a couple is forced to shop all over the county or farther to find a public institution willing to perform their wedding that's not on. The views of the registrar don't come into it - they don't like it they can go work at Starbucks. It's as bad as gyno nurses in public hospitals refusing to assist in abortions. Sweden's got the right idea if you ask me in firing anyone who ducks out of an integral part of their job in this fashion.

TrouserTownie · 09/03/2023 18:21

Thanks for explaining @LifeExperience. Always good to hear the facts.

LifeExperience · 09/03/2023 18:05

I live in Tennessee and it's a good law. All it says is that people with deeply held religious beliefs against homosexual marriage don't have to perform such marriages.

The 1st right enumerated in the Constitution is the right to religious freedom. This bill merely confirms that right.

The fact that millions of devout Muslims, Jews and Christians have moral objections to homosexual behavior doesn't sit well with some, but it's a fact, and in the US it is enshrined in law.

OneLongSmorgasbord · 09/03/2023 17:59

suggestionsplease1 · 09/03/2023 17:45

This thread is the equivalent of the bigger older brother holding his little sister's hand and slamming it against her face, saying 'Stop hitting yourself '

We all know the real cause behind the harm, and it's not the little sister, and it's not the LGBT community.

You can believe that if you wish but how do you explain LGBT acceptance going down as the T comes to the forefront? Coincidence?

AlisonDonut · 09/03/2023 17:56

Hang on, I thought there was no such thing as sex as it was a social construct so no need to have rights for same sex anything?

I wish I could keep up.

suggestionsplease1 · 09/03/2023 17:45

This thread is the equivalent of the bigger older brother holding his little sister's hand and slamming it against her face, saying 'Stop hitting yourself '

We all know the real cause behind the harm, and it's not the little sister, and it's not the LGBT community.