Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

I remember going to school the day after Culture Club's first appearance on Top of the Pops and there were a lot of people who thought he was a woman. Blows my mind because he was so obviously a man. Adam Ant; oh the beauty!

They cannot get their heads around men in make up who know they are men in make up.

It's the same response that the older generation had to Adam Ant and Boy George. Not girls grandad, they are just men...in make up.

We've regressed 50 years.

Paul Stanley from Kiss published a terfy statement about transing children, he's now been supported by Dee Snider formerly of Twisted Sister. The tras are losing their shit and I'm...pleased...this is strange world.

Whilst we are in PIE mode, slightly adjacent to that this article in the daily mail today is very blghhh

AI being used to turn real photos of children into sexualised images https://mol.im/a/12033059 via https://dailym.ai/android

God people are sick.

Think we were talking about PIE back at the old place, weren't we? It's the same old, same old, children as sexual beings, and meanie parents just wanting to restrict them... And the Labour Party, the NCCL, and the rest of the liberal establishment (with a very few honourable exceptions) fell for it hook, line, and sinker. And now, history repeats itself.

A lot of policy-makers in many different organisations have a lot to answer for.

Thanks for linking that, Kuc.

Speechless beyond that.

The Mail reported on KJK's event and called it a women's rights rally. I didn't see anything about the woman being assaulted.

I can't see the twitter video, not enough bandwidth on the ship.

The predictable special cases are out in that tweet, saying she attacked the trans group, she deserves it, the trans group were "humane" and that women are more violent towards trans people.

The usual demented lies, of course!

Joanna Cherry has been no platformed from performing at The Stand during the Edinburgh Festival -

twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1652733664113881091?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

The Times have had to do a hasty re-write of the previous headline (presumably under threat of litigation) as it read 'anti trans campaigner...' rather than the rather more truthful 'Feminist...'.

That was a woman police officer (of the female variety) too.

That's shameful of the Met, no wonder no one trusts them!

Female steward attacked at Let Women Speak.
(The one who is dragged up by her collar/hood by the Police Officer is the one who was attacked).

twitter.com/TPointUK/status/1652671825757732865?s=20

I found this, don't know that it deserves its own thread, if anyone feels differently, please go wild!

https://twitter.com/ewansomerville/status/1651179742928723975?s=20

The bank Monzo, reprimanded for calling a man a horrible terf.

Pineapple has no place on a pizza!

In Defense of Merit in Science is a top title, particularly in the context of the name of the journal! Downloaded to read while avoiding all the stuff I need to be doing - thanks for that.

This, for example:

CSJ is not an empirical theory, because its tenets are maintained despite their being either demonstrably false or unfalsifiable The existence of objective reality, for example, which CSJ denies, is attested to by every successful engineering project, from bridges to satellites, from cell phones to electric cars, ever conducted.

An obvious point, but one that bears re-stating.

it's a real page-turner! 😀

But yeah...

Cracking paper here:

https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/article/3/1/236

Merit in science (esp) under threat from non-science.

Sounds so much better than the tiny bit of Facebook I’ve seen!

It’s an interesting group as well as phrase!

The premise is that a member makes a post featuring one of their personal opinions, an opinion that they are prepared to defend until (metaphorical!) death.

eg:

Hill: Transwomen are men, humans cannot a change sex.

and then the group members post in the comments as to whether they agree (and will join the initial proposer in dying on their ‘hill’)

So the comments read stuff like

‘Dead’
’So dead I’m dust’
’Deader than flares’
or the ever popular ‘Facts aren’t Hills’.

People who comment ‘Alive’ can either present their own counter argument or be questioned on why they don’t agree

Some people will go with ‘comatose’ if they mostly agree but have a small point of difference.

You can also start a ‘Side Hill’ (eg ‘Side Hill: Labour cannot expect to win the next GE with a leader who thinks some women have penises’)

It’s a proper weird group because it brings together the kind of blue haired teens who bang tambourines at KJK, Manosphere MGTOW Andrew Tate fans, proper old school middle aged liberals who believe in full debate and loads of terves of all ages and nationalities.

There are quite a few posters in various African and Middle Eastern countries who debate BLM style antiracist activists from the US.

There are a handful of posters who cosplay multiple identities, sock puppet style.

It’s fun because there is almost no moderation, which means the blue haired kids can’t just report and censor stuff they don’t like and the Manosphere MRAs melt down into puddles when terves get higher like/love reacts than their sexist opponents do.

Because it’s FB you can block any posters that post repetitive hills on a topic that doesn’t interest you, but it’s better if you block as few people as possible because it’s interesting to realise that while you vehemently disagree with Poster A on topic Y, you end up ‘fighting on a hill’ beside them on topic X.
Because Facebook doesn’t function in the way twitter does you don’t get the same ‘pile on’ effect (twitter works like a snowball gathering size but closed FB groups are only visible to group members and unless you go into the group on purpose you only see occasional posts from it on your news feed, selected by the algorithm).

I use my real name on FB but have my profile locked right down (and won’t lose my job over internet stuff anyway) but it’s probably safest to use an alt account.

Some threads are about pizza toppings, some are about mass shooters. It’s wild.

’That’s a strange hill to die on but at least you’re dead’

Stolen for stash of phrases to use as my own.

Never heard of Lipstick Alley, so just checked it out now. Love the no nonsense rules, e.g.

General Behavior Rules
^^
No backseat moderating -- don't try to tell other members what they can and cannot post. Don't tell us who should or shouldn't be banned. Don't tell us who should or shouldn't be allowed to join or post on LSA. If you see behavior that violates the forum rules report it instead of taking matters into your own hands.
^^
Don't whine and complain to us about "trolls." From past experience we know that "troll" usually means someone who disagrees with you philosophically or on certain topics. Disagreeing with you is not against the rules. If the "troll" is actually breaking a rule, report them. Otherwise place that member on your ignore list.

Absolutely!

I occasionally pop over for a read (especially when a news event from transactivist land has specifically effected an African American org or individual woman) and I frequently share links or screenshots from LA to push back against the racist forceteaming of TRA bollox such as ‘If black women are women then men can be women’ because the women of Lipstick Alley do not put up with that shit AT ALL (and are usually very witty in their commentary!)

It’s always nice to see LA linking, sharing and screenshotting from MN too.

Datalounge is hilariously funny and I sometimes lurk there for commentary on trans encroachment of gay male spaces. There is a thread on Juno Dawson’s comments re: gay is a consolation prize for not being born a straight woman that is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

and Tattlelife has all the Jack Munroe receipts that MN deletes as ‘not in the spirit’.

I just went and looked at Ovarit for the first time in ages and the layout/font isn’t quite as bad as I remember it! Perhaps it looks better on the phone I have now than my old one?

Ovarit is slightly different because it was born out of the banning of the GC subreddit, but I think it’s interesting to note that free (or at least free-er) speech has been maintained on older style chat forums (inc mumsnet) whilst being whittled away on bigger social media style platforms.

Elon Musk’s Twitter intervention seems important because the appetite for speaking one’s mind (and making bad and tasteless jokes!) has never really gone away, despite it being impossible on social media.

There are a few closed Facebook groups that get pretty wild, including one called ‘That’s a strange hill to die on but at least you’re dead’ that seemed to have a sort of mass peakening event year or two ago (there is almost no moderation beyond adding new members) and the Radio 4 Facebook group split into two factions, after a long-absent founding admin returned and started censoring topics, those who wanted to continue talking about trans themed radio 4 programming became a new group.

Not looked at those recently though as I’ve more or less quit all social media in favour of more anon old style forums, mostly because I can see that living your life ‘for The Gram’ or deleting your Great Uncle off FB for voting Brexit is destroying people’s mental health and I want little to do with it.

I got onto Ovarit but it's so hard to read!

I love reading lipstick alley. The women there are so blunt and direct, I find it incredibly refreshing. They're very bright and funny, too. Obviously I would never join in because its not for me and I'm frankly what they don't want in that space, but I think they're brilliant.