Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

Yes- It's so distressing knowing that this likely won't reach the mainstream isn't it?
I don't have Twitter account, but I think this is the one that needs to be put out there as much as possible. So if anyone does, please do!

I've held it together all day. Having just read that woman's account...I'm off to find lots of tissues.

2023!! Fuck me!

In case anyone isn't following all of the LWS NZ threads. There are so many and it's confusing!
This blog reports from some of the women at the event who went to speak (devastating):

https://aboldwoman.substack.com/p/trans-activists-make-women-terrified

I'd like to bring that logic to other crimes. "Yes officer, I did punch him in the face whilst holding my keys between my fingers but it wasn't so much a punch as his face being in the way of my punchy hand and anyway, I didn't mean to cause any pain, so, you know, I'm innocent."

From the Glosswitch tweet:

So many people see "nice" men abusing women and think not "perhaps these men aren't so nice", but "how terrible must these women be? And if these women are so terrible, maybe I should join in the abuse"

I'd never thought of it like that, but it seems very accurate.

Flashing is now apparently absolutely fine if you don't mean to offend: https://twitter.com/ejtayloruk/status/1639189724588802051?

That's such an astute observation, that we want the crime to fit the punishment. She wouldn't have been punished so severely unless she deserved it.

Great thread from glosswitch which really captures the dynamic of what is going on. I presume it’s prompted in part by events in Auckland but has wider applications:

https://twitter.com/glosswitch/status/1639534589684207617?s=61&t=vrfh73NvYySozkuIkLckQw

A couple of years ago I was in a car with a friend of a friend. She and I get on but we weren't particularly close at the time. The conversation started to head toward terfdom and we were both very tentative until I decided I had nothing left to lose and came out with it. Huge relief ensued and the rest of the journey was about how much we hated the whole GI bollocks. And drag acts.

That was the feeling I had when I made two new friends at dog-training classes - one was Dutch so I kind of knew she’d be a Remainer, but the Remainy Devon-bred nurse came as a very pleasant surprise, as I’d just retired from a hospital entirely staffed by Leavers.

That's how it was with us too, the conversation became relaxed but fast, in the way that can happen with women. It was lovely, I haven't felt that way for a long time.

@Tricyrtis2022 - it did! You could feel the both of us relaxing into the conversation.

Great, @Britinme, feels good doesn't it.

I had a similar conversation with a newish friend this lunchtime.

A thing happened - I already knew my friend A was a terf and we've talked about fwr a lot. She invited me round to her house to meet another woman friend of hers, B, who she thought I'd get along with. As we sat chatting over tea, A mentioned issues with fwr and B tentatively agreed but looked a bit nervous. I took the plunge, smiled and said 'Actually, I'm a massive terf' whereupon the flood gates opened and we were suddenly talking ten to the dozen and agreeing on everything. We've decided that if a likely looking women's rally comes up nearby we're all going. It was really good to sit and talk with other women with none of us holding back and I wish there was more of this, I hope for more of this.

Cultural revolution would be honest.

It is a culture war, though. What else would you call it? Woke authoritarians are trying to take over the culture and eliminate free thinking and creativity. It's practically a cultural revolution in certain areas of life.

I do wish they'd stop using that lazy 'culture war' tag. Europe, even anglophone Europe, isn't the USA. I noted this morning that the panel (all female, I'd have hoped for a bit of critical thinking) on Oh God What Now? admitted that the debate around policing is not the same in the UK as it is in the USA and was so hoping that they'd extend that to all the other issues, but no, 'the trans issue' is culture war.

Irish (RTÉ) radio this morning:

Item 1 - the World Athletics decision. The interviewees invited on this were a born male TRA researcher who said fairness to women had to be balanced against inclusivity (not challenged) and a male endocrinologist who from his comments has many patients with Trans identities. No women athletes asked for their views.

Item 2 - a summary of the Kerry babies case with shocked comments about how misogynist Ireland was way back then.

Item 3 - a (male) medical doctor talking about IBS mentioning along the way the women's bodies and brains are physically different from men's and that that makes women particularly vulnerable to the condition and needing careful treatment.

Item 4 - a query to a politican about males in women's prison being given a fudge answer.

Not one after the other, over a few hours, but really, do any of the people setting up the talk shows ever think anything through? Slightly relieved that the Professor's comments (item 3) showed that there's a man who knows women exist.

My understanding was that this had been stopped internationally by both rugby codes, and rightly so. But this is GAA, so may be different?