Women's rights general conversations - Thread 4

Both Sides is the biggest lie since I don't know what.

Another good piece by glosswitch:

Violence against women, but woke | Victoria Smith | The Critic Magazine

This is a related but (at least for me) difficult question, prompted in part by Nashville. And to be clear, I have no idea if the shooter in that case was on cross-sex hormones but the event set off the train of thought.

Are there any other "health care" treatments which correlate with an increase in aggression and criminality other than giving healthy females testosterone? The studies that I have seen show an increase in these behaviours relative to the general female population, but I don't know about any other co-morbidities such as pre-existing mental health conditions. But, as they say, testosterone seems one hell of a drug. Where is the evidence that the therapeutic "benefit" outweighs the harm either on the individual level or the social level? I'm fairly sure that I've seen evidence that rates of attempted suicide do not decrease when cross sex hormones are introduced. I've read a lot about the feelings of euphoria when girls are given testosterone. I'm very aware that I'm not a doctor, a scientist, a therapist etc. but this is all such a mess. Why are we experimenting on children and young women? etc

I wish we could just accept that women are allowed to have any opinions they like. We seem to always have to designate some women as "beyond the pale." Look what that led to with KJK. It's not any different just because it happens to be a woman you dislike this time. The name calling and the monstering is wrong and puts women in danger. Let's stop trying to discredit women we don't like and instead start debating them. E.g. If you don't like JHB's comments on Andrew Tate then take them on, articulate your disagreement and invite discussion. It's bullshit to just say that she's vile because of such comments. Explain why you disagree and what you think would be a better approach. I know JHB is capable of listening to others and changing her mind. We all should strive to be as robust.

It's usually monthly. The next one at the moment is set for Sunday 30 April.

@NotDrowningJustCrowing apologies I hadn't yet seen Venice Allan's announcement about going weekly from now on. You are right.

twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1640460541708623875?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

On the subject of Bad Media shining helpful torches on reality: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4772834-more-than-60-of-scotlands-trans-prisoner-began-transition-after-being-sent-to-prison?

I think that the TRA have already shown just how tone deaf they are, only exultant stuff about how they won in NZ.

I can't imagine they would be that tone deaf as to still go ahead with a trans day of vengeance with firearm training after a transman killed six people, including three 9(?) year olds in a school with two guns.

If they do they may just bring their own cause to a crashing end in one day.

Re JHB, yes she's right wing but that's not what makes her "vile", if she is vile. She plays the man/woman, not the ball and I find this problematic whoever is doing it. There are many but they all seem to squish together. Recently she said she'd choose Andrew Tate's life every single time over the life of a half-educated , autistic, doom mongering eco-cultist. This was in response to the small dick energy comeback by Thunberg to Tate. She deleted the tweet then put it back without "autistic" because people had been "offended". She found this boring.

She is of course entitled to not like Greta Thunberg and what she stands for. She's also entitled to getting in some false equivalence with the whole small dick energy, and to be fair this was before the full truth about Tate came out, but it was the way she decided to word it. This is generally her modus operandi. It's not pleasant.

Unfortunately for the right, the columnists most guilty of this sort of interaction tend to be on "their side", although the likes of Owen Jones are giving them a run for their money. It's lazy and pandering to the lowest common denominator.

I have heard shit about KJK too but no evidence of it. As far as I know she's right wing and from a working class background. I know that she doesn't consider herself a feminist. That doesn't make her "vile". I think that a lot of people don't like working class women with a voice. I have no doubt that she has views I wouldn't agree with but when it comes to speaking up for women in this war on our rights she's with the angels as far as I'm concerned. There is no comparison between her and JHB. None JHB trolls for cash. KJK fights for our rights. She is a fine human being. JHB is not.

That reminds me of something....something from my dim and distant past

Trans firearms🤞

I did wonder when the first few articles came up as 1st April... But it seems to be true!

They have now.

Do they have April fools day in the states?

How are they going to stop something non-existent?

Or this one! Somewhere to keep my keys. Just keep muttering twaw.

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Or borrow his?

Perhaps I've fallen for a piss take, I hope so.

Do i want to Google TDOV?? I don't do i!

Just identify as having 20/20 vision then!

I'm perfect, but have trouble keeping my glasses on. Keep sliding down my face for some reason.

So, newspapers will correctly sex criminals but only when they're actually women.

Wonder if Transgender Day of Vengeance is still on in DC on the 1st. I hope not it could be a bloodbath. I'm genuinely horrified at what might happen.