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Would you buy this brand?

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Hop27 · 09/03/2023 08:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11837373/Non-binary-Deni-Todorovic-says-women-penises-trolls-attack-Seafolly-campaign.html

Sorry for the daily fail link .... pretty strong stance from this swimwear brand.

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MenopausalMe · 09/03/2023 16:50

I’d assume Seafolly were not aiming at women.

I’m also a bit put out by this sub heading on the daily mail article ‘Trolls say they will boycott the brand’

We’re women standing up for our right not to be represented by men. Don’t know how we complain to the daily mail about that

UncomfortableSofa · 09/03/2023 16:01

I would just presume that the bikini bottoms have really baggy crotches and wouldn't buy them.

The market for bikini bottoms for transwomen is too small, so is this actually aimed at women?

I would have preferred if they showed Gigi etc in a nice pair of board shorts so they would become trendy and I wouldn't have to trim the ol lawn before going swimming.

Speedoes are specifically created to contain men's cock n balls. If they try to swim in a pair of women's bottoms there will be no way to stop it all flying out.

KohlaParasaurus · 09/03/2023 13:44

I'd never heard of the brand before, but that bloke mocking women is deeply uncool.

PegasusReturns · 09/03/2023 13:44

Deni isn’t claiming to be a woman so I guess go Deni and go seafolly for acknowledging that bikinis can be for men as well as women.

That said if a bikini bottom accommodates a penis I will assume it will look weird and saggy on me and so will not purchase.

it’s all about the target market

ResisterRex · 09/03/2023 13:24

7Worfs · 09/03/2023 13:04

It’s funny how these persons NEVER adopt the feminine personality traits like agreeableness, kindness, modesty etc

It’s all loud, aggressive, attention-seeking, often threatening “IT’S MA’AM” attitude. 🤔

They also never identify into the drudge work, like running round to make sure you've got dinner and you've booked after school club and oh did the gym kit get packed and do the kids have water and is there enough petrol in the car do I have time to stop off and fill up?

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 09/03/2023 13:10

Oooh yes please

Would you buy this brand?
tootiredtobother · 09/03/2023 13:10

sickening, im so dam well fed up with this, he will be modeling Period Pants next

7Worfs · 09/03/2023 13:04

It’s funny how these persons NEVER adopt the feminine personality traits like agreeableness, kindness, modesty etc

It’s all loud, aggressive, attention-seeking, often threatening “IT’S MA’AM” attitude. 🤔

Hop27 · 09/03/2023 12:58

I think the stance from the model is pretty aggressive and unnecessary, IMO.

This is obviously not the same idea behind the advertising but a much softer message. And not the same model !!!
The image of the model wearing
(A women's branded) lime green pant, alongside a women. These images are in every shop front in Australia, every mall.

www.sheike.com.au/blogs/our-world/love-stories-with-dylan-cristina

I'm sorry for my naivety but they don't identify as a woman - so why front an obviously female brand? They also are an ambassador for bonds (unisex) which I get, to a point.

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Switchwitch · 09/03/2023 11:15

The twisting of vocabulary makes this nonsensical.

I think it's an article about a man wearing swim pants but he's a special man so he says they're women's pants and he's not a man but they're also not women's pants because women have penises which makes them man pants for women who sometimes have penises but not for men unless they have penises and pants.

That's cleared that up then.

FrancescaContini · 09/03/2023 11:05

Rightsraptor · 09/03/2023 09:12

He could hardly have adopted a more male pose. But the shoes ...

I don't understand the entire premise, tbh. Body shape and size is largely sex-dependent. Things like underwear and swimwear, especially for females, tend to hug the body. So if you make bikini bottoms for women there won't be much room for cock & balls. Unless you want them on full display ... oh, right. Maybe that's it? If there's room for male bits, they'll be baggy on women.

Anyway - insane.

Every day more insults to women.

Don’t you wear sparkly platforms to the pool or beach?

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 09/03/2023 10:26

Ugh why do Seafolly think women want to fund misogyny?

This makes no sense at all. I hate spending 80 quid on a swimsuit but I've had two from Seafolly before because of my particular shape. A shape no man can have and which isn't catered for by nice cheap places like H&M.

Idiots. Back to Bravissimo it is then.

Clymene · 09/03/2023 10:14

I don't want to see his hairy bulge. The swimwear is aimed at women. It's cut for women. Why do they imagine this will encourage women to buy their swimwear?

And that man is really aggressive in that video.

unwashedanddazed · 09/03/2023 10:13

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Helleofabore · 09/03/2023 10:09

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2023 10:05

The poor guy just needs Speedos in prettier fabrics.

And with a ‘sexier’ cut it seems…

And Speedo should add floaty beach cover ups that also suits ridiculous high platform shoes!

PaterPower · 09/03/2023 10:06

Couple of things I caught in the article. The first was the use of the word “troll,” twice, when describing comments that didn’t agree with using this ‘model’ in the campaign.

The second was one of the quotes from the model… “Trans people attempt suicide 15 times more than cis-people”. Is that the very dubious ‘stat’ that nobody’s ever been able to verify? Sure looks like it.

(Rhetorical question here) why do papers like the Mail just quote these made up numbers without providing context / a fact-checking note? It’s almost always left unchallenged in articles.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2023 10:05

The poor guy just needs Speedos in prettier fabrics.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2023 10:03

”Why has Australia bought into this so much ? Is it a fairly sexist culture ? Modi bodi and now Seafolly”

It is being done under the guise of tolerance as it is everywhere.

Remember though this article has come out at Mardi Gras time. And they just did that walk across the bridge with the huge flag.

SirVixofVixHall · 09/03/2023 09:51

Rightsraptor · 09/03/2023 09:12

He could hardly have adopted a more male pose. But the shoes ...

I don't understand the entire premise, tbh. Body shape and size is largely sex-dependent. Things like underwear and swimwear, especially for females, tend to hug the body. So if you make bikini bottoms for women there won't be much room for cock & balls. Unless you want them on full display ... oh, right. Maybe that's it? If there's room for male bits, they'll be baggy on women.

Anyway - insane.

Every day more insults to women.

This.
The model says that the bikini bottoms are “just like Speedos” er no. Speedos have shaping at the front to allow for male genitalia. Women’s bikini bottoms are nothing like Speedos. So either they don’t fit men (eg most men would bulge out out them…I have the image of that bloke on the Inbetweeners with his testicle falling out on the catwalk…or they would have a baggy crotch on women.
Men have a more slender pelvis, but if a man bought a small size to allow for this then his tackle would be even less covered.
It is totally ridiculous. Also when compared to the female model, this model is hardly model material, just a very average looking male.

Why has Australia bought into this so much ? Is it a fairly sexist culture ? Modi bodi and now Seafolly.

littlbrowndog · 09/03/2023 09:48

Jeez the heels and the bulging crotch in every shot 🙈

Helleofabore · 09/03/2023 09:42

Besides, I would never hire this person as a model again. They mention a major competitor in connection to a discussion about the togs being advertised.

“'I'm wearing bikini bottoms which are basically Speedos, which, last time I checked, people with penises wear Speedos.”

“'So maybe you just need to investigate and dig a little deeper as to why me, in a Speedo essentially, feels like an attack on your gender identity, because that's not what I'm trying to do.'”

Hardly a good choice for someone to represent the Seafolly brand.

DysonSpheres · 09/03/2023 09:37

The message I'm getting from all this is that 'women aren't enough'

Because the question arises as to why so many brands are willing to lose customers on this hill. What trending forecasts are they seeing that means they're ready and willing to throw away loyal customers and put off many women from engaging with them?

Clearly to risk losing money they see it as a worthwhile gamble. They clearly see this as the future.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2023 09:36

I must admit though, I was always more of a speedos girl when I was buying togs as a teen.

Seafolly were not a brand I could afford, of course, they were in all magazines.

BlackeyedSusan · 09/03/2023 09:31

Nope. They don't look like they care about women. They have a model who is actively working against the safety of my disabled children. They can fuck right off.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2023 09:30

Cripes! Not Seafolly!

I agree, if they did this just as a non-conforming man it would be perhaps acceptable to many women. However, the brand has not done this.