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AnyFucker · 2023-03-09T07:24:52+00:00

You guessed it… “birthing people” Morning telly, right there 🤢

NotBadConsidering · 09/03/2023 10:31

My 3rd form English teacher at school gave a valuable piece of advice that has stuck: never use a long word when a short word will do.

I’m fairly sure you can paraphrase that piece of advice by saying never use the phrased definition of a noun as the noun itself, when a perfectly good, short noun exists.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/03/2023 10:26

I had my first “pregnant people” in a meeting talking about vaccinations. Absolutely bloody ridiculous

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:25

(Rages at sky, shakes fist.)

😁

BellaAmorosa · 09/03/2023 10:22

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Women are people. Men are also people. Men cannot give birth. Why pretend there is any blurring of the line?
Would you be happy with education guidance that referred to "any animal who can speak"? After all, not every single human being can speak.
Or how about "people and animals who can speak" so that the catgender folx do not feel excluded? Why does inclusive or additive language never take catgenders into account? (Rages at sky, shakes fist.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2023 10:20

Sorry, I should have said if you were born with a vagina you probably have a uterus

Why is that? Why do those two things "probably" go together?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2023 10:18

A fairly reliable rule would be, if you were born with a penis you very likely produce sperm, if you were born with a vagina you very likely have eggs.

Why is this a reliable rule? What are you saying?

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:17

Great, thanks for engaging. Look forward to discussing more.

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:16

I have to start work but I’ll be back

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2023 10:15

I'm done with pandering. People have all sorts of odd mental hang ups. They can often be handled with sensitivity, but they do not and should not affect the enormous majority of others.

It's akin to someone with an extreme aversion to the word 'strawberry' meaning that every supermarket in the UK stops stocking strawberries and rebrands them as 'red soft fruit'.

This.

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:13

I think that's where we're at.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 09/03/2023 10:13

So the shorthand would be penis-people and vulva-people rather than boy and girl?

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:12

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:09

A fairly reliable rule would be, if you were born with a penis you very likely produce sperm, if you were born with a vagina you very likely have eggs.

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Are you just suggesting we describe children as 'penis people' and 'vagina people' instead of boys and girls?

ReadersD1gest · 09/03/2023 10:12

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:07

In the body of a person with a uterus, who almost certainly has XX chromosomes, and who can identify as a woman, man or other.

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But who's sex is female. Call yourself what you like, but when you're teaching biology, leave the "identify as" crap out. It's irrelevant.

DemiColon · 09/03/2023 10:11

I think "birthing people" is a silly addition, but I suspect that as gender ideology wanes, it will just fade away.

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:11

But if genitals are not to do with 'man' or 'woman' or 'boy' or 'girl' then your definition is meaningless, aseriesofstillimages.

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:10

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:09

A fairly reliable rule would be, if you were born with a penis you very likely produce sperm, if you were born with a vagina you very likely have eggs.

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Sorry, I should have said if you were born with a vagina you probably have a uterus (though in very rare cases you may not).

ResisterRex · 09/03/2023 10:10

I’m hoping you mean younger child, in this day and age I’d very much hope the vast majority of teenagers already know!

You'd hope. But actually no, not in some cases where faith schools have removed children from sex education. I'd be surprised if the current statutory guidance isn't a part of this problem, since it covers things that are not in the law (gender identity) and is in places so vague that we've seen a plethora of problems as per this week's PMQs.

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:10

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:09

A fairly reliable rule would be, if you were born with a penis you very likely produce sperm, if you were born with a vagina you very likely have eggs.

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How do I know I have eggs? I thought men or women could have vaginas?

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:09

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:08

And how do we know who has sperm and who has a uterus?

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A fairly reliable rule would be, if you were born with a penis you very likely produce sperm, if you were born with a vagina you very likely have eggs.

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:09

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:07

In the body of a person with a uterus, who almost certainly has XX chromosomes, and who can identify as a woman, man or other.

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How do we know if we are a person with a uterus?

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:09

BellaAmorosa · 09/03/2023 10:04

Indeed - or that now they are a "man" they can't get pregnant.

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Yep. How many girls will think that if they 'identify' as male or non-binary they are no longer at risk of pregnancy?

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 10:08

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:01

I’m hoping you mean younger child, in this day and age I’d very much hope the vast majority of teenagers already know!

Reproduction - when a sperm fertilises an egg, implants in the uterus lining and - in the absence of miscarriage or abortion - over the course of around about nine months develops into a fully formed foetus.

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And how do we know who has sperm and who has a uterus?

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:07

ReadersD1gest · 09/03/2023 10:05

In a woman's body, not a man's. Right?

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In the body of a person with a uterus, who almost certainly has XX chromosomes, and who can identify as a woman, man or other.

ReadersD1gest · 09/03/2023 10:05

aseriesofstillimages · 09/03/2023 10:01

I’m hoping you mean younger child, in this day and age I’d very much hope the vast majority of teenagers already know!

Reproduction - when a sperm fertilises an egg, implants in the uterus lining and - in the absence of miscarriage or abortion - over the course of around about nine months develops into a fully formed foetus.

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In a woman's body, not a man's. Right?

BellaAmorosa · 09/03/2023 10:04

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2023 09:55

Yes. This is hugely confusing for a generation growing up being taught that the sexes are meaningless terms, that sex is fluid and interchangeable.

It's a regressive step. We used to despair at children thinking you could get avoid pregnancy if you had sex standing up - now they're being taught that men can get pregnant and give birth? How the hell are we to teach sex ed properly when the very basic fundamentals are so blurred?

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Indeed - or that now they are a "man" they can't get pregnant.