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Get paid for drugged sex!

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mach2 · 08/03/2023 09:01

Well, this is a bit special:

A BBC documentary has sparked outrage after a sex therapist suggested men who have a fetish about sex with unconscious partners should be able to pay women to be drugged

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11831307/We-Need-Talk-Bill-Cosby-Sex-therapist-calls-women-drugged-money.html

Is it me or is the world getting madder?

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Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 18:08

That is the great thing about ‘lived experience’ - you don’t need a single qualification but you get to dictate to others, including others who dare to suggest they have lived experience too as it is obviously not the right lived experience. And as you are deemed an expert, people consulting you don’t need to look elsewhere for a broader perspective and you can be confident in your opinions on everything.

Lots of organisations are using lived experience experts these days instead of research of or consultation. Absolutely no danger to it at all...

The extinction of expertise! Who do we right to to report this abomination? Oh wait, we probably can't because they are transgender and body positive so they are untouchable.

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 17:57

Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 17:46

Lived Experience expert”?

Bloody charlatan. Dangerous one at that.

That is the great thing about ‘lived experience’ - you don’t need a single qualification but you get to dictate to others, including others who dare to suggest they have lived experience too as it is obviously not the right lived experience. And as you are deemed an expert, people consulting you don’t need to look elsewhere for a broader perspective and you can be confident in your opinions on everything.

Lots of organisations are using lived experience experts these days instead of research of or consultation. Absolutely no danger to it at all...

Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 17:46

Lived Experience expert”?

Bloody charlatan. Dangerous one at that.

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 14:03

Though not this particular experience, but that doesn’t matter.

Shelefttheweb · 09/03/2023 14:02

Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 13:31

What actual qualifications does this person have. Or is it all just smoke and mirrors? They seem a very contravercial figure.
All the best
Jo

“Lived Experience expert”?

Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 13:31

What actual qualifications does this person have. Or is it all just smoke and mirrors? They seem a very contravercial figure.
All the best
Jo

Datun · 09/03/2023 08:42

The Mail might well be adhering to the IPSO guidelines in calling her a man. She looks female to me but uses they/him pronouns.

Commonsensitivity · 09/03/2023 08:06

That a professional has suggested this is massively unprofessional to legitimise such a horrific and unethical practice. She should have her professional accreditation and membership stripped away. Who is she accredited by? She should be removed from the register.

aweegc · 08/03/2023 23:36

Man wants sex with a woman.
Man gets sex with a woman.

And that's it.

It reminds me of the people saying that disabled men should used sex workers as it's not fair they can't that sex.

drhf · 08/03/2023 23:03

Sex with an unconscious woman isn't 'rapey'. It's rape.

If you can't consent, it's not sex. It's rape.

LexMitior · 08/03/2023 21:55

@Toseland - thank you. The article makes clear that my suspicion this person is in for their own gratification is correct.

Commonsensitivity · 08/03/2023 21:20

Jesus fucking christ. How horrific.

PopGoesTheProsecco · 08/03/2023 21:19

@Toseland how am I not surprised.

Toseland · 08/03/2023 21:08

The Daily Mail are now reporting this person as a male: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11835281/Sex-therapist-Bill-Cosby-documentary-says-fatphobia-racism-fitness-trainers-Nazis.html

PopGoesTheProsecco · 08/03/2023 21:01

*worst

PopGoesTheProsecco · 08/03/2023 20:57

This thread has made me so angry. At Uni I got drunk for the first time. I went to a mate’s room to sleep. Woke up with some random bloke literally all over me. Thought the worse was about to happen when another friend (big beefy bloke) promised rapey guy that he’d beat him to a pulp if he didn’t unlock the door.

Wanting to have sex with an unconscious woman is just rapey.

mach2 · 08/03/2023 20:52

surely broadcasting what this woman said serves the purpose of educating the audience about the crazy awful stuff that gets said, in the context of exploring this man's crimes?

I did wonder if the public shouldn't be exposed to the full magnitude of this batshittery. Then it can't be hidden behind cute little phrases like "sex-positive".

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If exploited women are drugged they are unable to consent to anything so the man is actually raping women. Why do you think it is in anyway acceptable to allow men to rape women? What do you think this man’s next step would be when that no longer arouses him?

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AnneWhittle · 08/03/2023 20:30

surely broadcasting what this woman said serves the purpose of educating the audience about the crazy awful stuff that gets said, in the context of exploring this man's crimes?
unless it was introduced by a presenter saying 'hey everybody, HERE'S a great idea, listen to this, this will definitely put an end to REAL sexual violence' I don't see why the BBC shouldn't broadcast it
last night I watched a C4 documentary about artists in the Dutch resistance to Nazi occupation. Of course it detailed some of the awful things the Nazis did. I'm not expecting Stephen Fry (the presenter) to be saying '....and of course all those things were very very wrong'...even though there exist in the world right now holocaust deniers and fascists.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 08/03/2023 20:21

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 08/03/2023 13:08

I watched the documentary. That's not quite what she said. Daily Mail strikes again.

Do you mean that there is a wider context in the documentary which would change our understanding of this clip?

Binglebong · 08/03/2023 20:07

Ffs it's time we brought back kink shaming. At some point we need to draw a line and say no, this is not OK and wanting to do it means you need psychological help. As does anyone who agrees to do this with you (and more practical help if they are doing it for money).

IcakethereforeIam · 08/03/2023 19:56

Nope, the BBC are the responsible party in this country for broadcasting it.

DrBlackbird · 08/03/2023 19:34

IcakethereforeIam · 08/03/2023 18:56

Yes, you'd like to think that the BBC didn't do clickbaity stuff like this.

Should the BBC not have bought the American made documentary?

What the crazy woman was saying is crazy, but the BBC seems to be targeted as the responsible party for selecting her. When it was the choice of the documentary maker, not the BBC.

I’m genuinely curious whether this woman’s abhorrent views should have been enough for the BBC to not buy and air the 4 part documentary on Bill Cosby? The documentary itself was meant to be an expose on how Bill Cosby got away with decades of sexual assault something akin to a Jimmy Saville expose.

nepeta · 08/03/2023 19:01

Sounds like part of this new trend of turning the insides of generic women's bodies into commercial products in everything. Surrogacy and sex work.