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Indecent exposure and Jordan Gray on Radio 4

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BaronMunchausen · 07/03/2023 08:52

The Today presenter (Justin Webb?) on Radio 4 has just aired the connection between indecent exposure and gender ideology. While interviewing a Labour MP about the cultural acceptance of indecent exposure, he said that a lot of women were very offended when Jordan Gray stripped off on Channel 4, but Ofcom said it was ok and Channel 4 was “actually rather proud of it”. The MP kept to generalities, but it was good to hear.

Radio 4 will doubtless be inundated with complaints, but other listeners (at least those who remember Jordan Grey) will perhaps understand the implications of the demand that trans identifying males be given unfettered access to women's safe spaces.

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Chersfrozenface · 07/03/2023 09:57

nauticant · 07/03/2023 09:40

"In 2022, the BBC said Webb was not sufficiently accurate when he described the philosophy professor Kathleen Stock – who resigned following protests over her views on gender identity and transgender rights – as being "falsely" accused of transphobia. However, said that it was accurate to describe her as a subject of abuse by students.[17]"

The source given is The Guardian. It doesn't appear to exist otherwise than on Wikipedia and in The Guardian.

I've found the original source, on the BBC's Executive Complaints Unit findings pages. It's the outcome, published on 3 February 2022, to four complaints received.

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/ecu/today-radio-4-13-october-2021

"As the validity or otherwise of the accusation of transphobia are at the heart of the controversy over Professor Stock, the ECU agreed that it was not duly accurate to refer to it in terms which suggested it had been disproved, and upheld the complaints in that respect.

However, it did not agree that the use of “falsely” indicated the producer’s personal opinion (which would have been contrary to the guideline on impartiality which says BBC journalists and news presenters “may not express personal views” on controversial subjects in BBC output), but considered it was better understood as an anticipation of the article being introduced, which did indeed argue that the accusation was false.

In connection to the reference to protestors “abusing” Professor Stock, the ECU noted that publications by her antagonists had applied terms to her which were incontestably abusive, irrespective of the merits of the arguments they were associated with.

Accordingly the ECU did not regard the reference as raising issues of accuracy or impartiality.

Partly upheld."

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/03/2023 09:54

He’s a truly independent thinker

NurseCranesRolodex · 07/03/2023 09:54

AGP males are free to ramp up their fetish and expose genitals en masse.

Wayne Couzens sentenced for fetish behaviour exposing genitals in public in days prior to abduction & murder.

Why are we using wokeness to normalise fetish behaviours that can be very, very dangerous. Why do we want to protect the 'arty' AGP'S and not see the dangers are coming from same thing?

WarriorN · 07/03/2023 09:53

❤️

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 07/03/2023 09:50

Glad JW brought this up. It seems mad that there was no fuss about Jordan's penis being displayed clearly on C4 (I was watching live) but Elaine Millar was at risk of prosecution for displaying an obvious merkin on top of leggings in the Scottish Parliament.

Clymene · 07/03/2023 09:49

Good for him. I expect he'll be shunned in the canteen by his idiotic colleagues in the comedy team who have commissioned Grey for a radio 4 show.

nauticant · 07/03/2023 09:40

"In 2022, the BBC said Webb was not sufficiently accurate when he described the philosophy professor Kathleen Stock – who resigned following protests over her views on gender identity and transgender rights – as being "falsely" accused of transphobia. However, said that it was accurate to describe her as a subject of abuse by students.[17]"

The source given is The Guardian. It doesn't appear to exist otherwise than on Wikipedia and in The Guardian.

nauticant · 07/03/2023 09:39

I was interested to see this on Wikipedia:

nauticant · 07/03/2023 09:37

Webb held senior BBC roles in the US from 2001 to 2009. He fell in love with the country and over time came to the view that the BBC was anti-American. He returned to the UK in 2009 seemingly with a strong dislike of identity politics and my assumption is that he saw what it was doing to the US and was dreading what it was going to do to the UK.

Boiledeggandtoast · 07/03/2023 09:36

SallyLockheart · 07/03/2023 09:09

I heard that and thought, well done Justin. Exposing double standards.

I thought the same.

faffadoodledo · 07/03/2023 09:28

@SallyLockheart he's been consistent in this. He's great

SallyLockheart · 07/03/2023 09:09

faffadoodledo · 07/03/2023 08:53

I ❤Justin

I heard that and thought, well done Justin. Exposing double standards.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/03/2023 09:05

I'm very, very tired of seeing penises in polyester everywhere. I could really do without having seen Jordan's naked todger on telly.

Tedious.

Well done Justin. He's what keeps me on R4.

faffadoodledo · 07/03/2023 08:53

I ❤Justin

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