Feminist Left Australia are warning women not to attend Standing for Women events with KJK because the tour is funded by CPAC

The person you quoted did. Are you okay?

I never said you did. Are you okay?

I archived the site on archive ph if anyone wants to read that 'blog' without giving the site clicks, they can go to the archive site.

Good thing I didn't say "seethe and cope" than

Or I could just ask mumsnet hq to delete the thread. :(

Maybe a good idea

I never said "seethe and cope". This isn't reddit. Seething is an actual word that adults use dear

Did I hit a nerve there?

I don’t respect anyone who says seethe and cope regardless of their opinions or who they are. They are just intentionally antagonizing people at this point and that’s not someone I need on my team.

It's like they refuse to back down even though they know she's doing a good thing. So they are going out of their way to find the slightest bit of wrong think and then slinging it at her in the hopes that enough sticks and she loses the goodwill of the people.

Well they can do one I'm not interested.

'Not a good look', 'seethe and cope'. Its certainly familiar language. I'm not sure where you're planting your flag, but you're not re-branding Terf Island any time soon.

This right there. Not a good look at all.

And the mean girls keep on gossiping. Everyone of those is pathetic and I view them more as TRA than as GC at this point. All that time and energy spent actively pushing against one of the most succesful women of our movement does more to set us back than anything.

To any of the mean girls reading this, you can have criticism if its objective, by all means have a go. But we all can see that it's never objective. Keep seething and get a pastel flag instead of a suffragette one. It's more accurate.

The thing is DarkHorizon, because of compulsory voting, Australia has a rather rich choice of political party and a rather lot of swinging voters. There is also a rich tradition of independent candidates. I don't believe it is as polarised as the US at all.

If I hadn't been living here in the UK and known about the "Conservative party", I would have been confused by the constant use of 'conservative' in Australia - or I wouldn't have really cared.

I don't find the comparisons to be all that relevant between UK and USA and Australian politics. Sure, there are some similarities. However, there are significant differences too.

I suspect that whoever has put together that blog either is not Australian or is probably more extreme in their politics than the majority of people. I think that if I was back in Australia, I would have read that blog and thought, who the fuck are all those people they are talking about, do I actually even give a rat's arse to look them up? Abortion is not under threat of being rolled back in Australia and there are many people with many different opinions on it anyway. Tony Abbott was a religious conservative, Alan Jones is a tosser and well known for it, Mark Latham was actually high up in the Australian Labor Party the opposing party to Tony Abbott, Jacinta Price is an elected senator who obviously represents enough people in her region to have been elected so she should be listened to in that light, who is Rita Panahi (who can afford Sky in the first place!) and who cares about Nigel Farage! So I would simply look at that conference line up and go, meh, they have a wide range of view points, it is not something I am interested in, but crack on. Each to their own.

That this conference was the number 1 issue in their list and used as 'the' example is probably not going to have the shock effect they expect. The painting of the opposition of Indigenous Voice to Parliament as a 'classic racist argument' dismisses that some indigenous Australians disagree that this will be an effective means to get those very important voices heard in Parliament. It is simplistic and it is absolutist thinking to position it that way.

I doubt that many people will take much notice of that group's opinion to be honest. And those who are very well read about the issues and how they impact women and children will know that there is this disconnect between some people on the left and facts. This became very apparent with the media coverage of Katherine Deves and the absolute dismissal of her discussion points.

I hope they will be written off as irrelevant by many people with the exception of a very small minority who would already be not attending the events for those reasons anyway. It would be sad to think they will be considered convincing.

I recommend Call Jane a film by Phyllis Nagy. I think it really provides a clear example of how organic and women centered work can take place. Service at its heart, all welcome, clear goals and open comms trying to accommodate others needs without undermining the overall structure. It was abortion rights at the heart of it. Go watch!

The feminist left can suck air between their teeth for as long as they like because KJK won't conform to their ideological purity. I suspect once ordinary women get past being painted as evil, transphobic bigots who eat babies for breakfast because they have the temerity to stand up for single sex spaces, then saying that some of these people could also hail from the right lacks any kind of punch.

I feel for australians I do. I’m not fully understanding of their political prospects but as a left center leaning american myself I do not like voting right but I will as the left has given me no good options as a woman! They can say they’re the most feminist party until the cows come home but that does not make it so!

Yes the right took our abortion rights and I hate that but women will be much worse off if we allow the left to completely and utterly legally erase us! What will be left to fight for without legal recognition? Nothing! They have quite literally backed us into a corner. At the the republicans have dangled a rope for us to grasp and hang on to.

The democrats no longer care. I completely resent them for it. They’re trying to steal our freedom of speech and even the freedom to listen. They’ve had the stage for too long and it’s turned them cocky. I hate them for making republicans the voice of reason.

So of course women are flocking to these right wingers. That’s what happens when you completely ignore women’s needs. They talk a lot about male privilege but then they totally pander to it. The right wingers are making more sense right now sadly. It doesn’t mean we like it. But they are the logical thinks in this debate.

Maybe people who have ulterior motives always think that everyone else has ulterior motives,

Bit like drug users always seem to think that everyone is doing drugs, especially soft drugs like cannabis (I'm stating what they think, I dont agree cannabis is soft) and chronic liars always believe everyone lies a lot.

And yes surely women the cunty type are just women, any stripe, any colour, any political persuasion. So appeal to women like that and you'll get more to your events.

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Any idea who is behind the Feminist Left blog? Because it does look suspicious.

Particularly the use of 'anti-imperialist'??? That is not a term I have come across in use in Australia. Anti-monachist. Yes Republic campaigner. Yes. But you are right, something doesn't seem right about that website from an Australian perspective.

Either that or they are so extreme in their 'left wing' ideal that they will have the opposite effect to that they are aiming for- deterring women from going to see other's speak.

And @IWilloBeACervix I just clocked what your user name says! 💜

Well...she had the audacity to do this 👇the other day.

And as most of the right wing arguments against her are usually as coherent as me using cheese to prove her right wing credentials I'll let you draw your own conclusions as to the quality of any evidence that gets presented to you as proof.

Can someone give me a list of the ‘right-wing views’ that KJK has repeatedly expressed?

I’ve attended some of her events and watched quite a bit of her YouTube, and I really must be a bit thick because I can’t figure out what’s she’s said.

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So why don't they work with KJK to put on an event? I have no idea at all if she is sponsored by the right, but if she is and it is out of necessity perhaps they could give her an alternative.

Pretty sure this blog wasn't written by any Australian feminists, and it's by a non-Australian TRA.

Logic, common sense, truth, facts etc are the opposite what TRA's stand for, but it is what people like KJK stand for.

TRA's have to stoop to mudslinging because they have nothing of value to argue on behalf of their case.

The monstering of KJK continues. And it has no effect except for making those who engage in it look stupid and irrelevant.

And just in from KJK

So why don't they work with KJK to put on an event? I have no idea at all if she is sponsored by the right, but if she is and it is out of necessity perhaps they could give her an alternative.
As for "right wing views" being something that means you shouldn't engage with someone- are we five years old? I have some views that are right of centre and others that are not. So what? People are nuanced and the more intelligent among us are capable of holding diverse views (and even changing our views). Out of interest- is it only women who are expected to have purity of thought?

And now time for a few thoughts from KJK