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Labour work out the demographic they need to win

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lanadelgrey · 03/03/2023 14:25

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/03/i-want-to-give-mid-life-women-a-voice-labours-anneliese-dodds-on-menopause-careers-and-the-wi?amp;amp;amp

Realisation dawns, but not nearly enough is my thought.

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TheirEminence · 03/03/2023 20:55

Interesting thoughts … so it’s clientelism, only they give the TRA what they want and women what they haven’t actually asked for.

My employer is stonewalled to the nines but recently brought in a menopause policy ‘for all genders’. This is what’s on offer. Fuck off, Annelise.

Boiledbeetle · 03/03/2023 20:18

“I feel quite at home with the kind of women who are involved in the Women’s Institute,” she says

Will given that the WI thinks women can have penises I'm not sure this sentence is the vote winner she thinks it is.

TeaserandtheFirecat · 03/03/2023 20:09

SunShineAllMine · 03/03/2023 19:03

Women would cope better with the menopause, if they were not fighting men for HRT, during times of shortages.

Labour have decided that a sacred caste of men are more vulnerable than ALL women for some reason

Well,the menopause did used to be known as ’The Change’, and TW are going through a change too, so it’s only fair to share. I mean, we bio women have naturally had female hormones for years, so a bit selfish to deny TW a go as well......

Sausagenbacon · 03/03/2023 20:01

Love that misslucy. So true

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 03/03/2023 19:41

Yeah, I'm deeply suspicious about all the menopause stuff, despite being menopausal myself. How fucking convenient to label 50-something women as rendered incapable by their hormones, just as they hit the age to be senior at work and generally not give a fuck.

Abhannmor · 03/03/2023 19:37

The next lot of polls will be interesting. All the commentariat are saying what a wizard Rishi is .Because he got May's deal signed 4 years late , basically.

But the media will swing behind him. It might concentrate a few minds in Labour

Toseland · 03/03/2023 19:29
  • they keep
Toseland · 03/03/2023 19:28

I'm not voting for them, haven't for the past 5 years, might not ever again if the kerp this nonsense up. They no longer have anything to offer women or the working class.

SunShineAllMine · 03/03/2023 19:03

Women would cope better with the menopause, if they were not fighting men for HRT, during times of shortages.

Labour have decided that a sacred caste of men are more vulnerable than ALL women for some reason

DrDinosaur · 03/03/2023 19:03

Crewcut · 03/03/2023 17:40

Dear Labour leadership,

Until you define women as people with a material biological reality who are adult, human and female you can FUCK OFF AND DO ONE.

Sincerely,
A Middle-Aged Woman

Absolutely this.

AmuseBish · 03/03/2023 18:54

Dodds announced this week that Labour would require workplaces to produce action plans to support staff going through the menopause. But it is NHS waiting lists and chronic illnesses that are often pushing women out of work, even when they would prefer to stay.

EpicChaos · 03/03/2023 18:37

I'm sure businesses will be all for hogtying themselves up in even more red tape/employment law and time lost to allowing women time off to deal with the menopause, which can last years for many women. So i imagine they will lose votes there.
It's not as if every woman experiences it at the same age, for the same amount of time and with the same amount of severity.

Did bobblehead dodds explain how that would all be factored in to setting law at all? i very much doubt it!
In all probability, menopause is just a word she's heard, with no real knowledge of how it affects women.

As for the working class vote in red wall areas, i'm not in the least bit convinced they've won any seats back.
That meme of a pic of a manual worker, covered in grime from a hard days graft, next to a pic of izzard, just about sums up the distance between who the labour party was set up for and who it represents now, the gulf between the two couldn't be any wider - from coal soot to max factor! Says it all really, doesn't it?!
The WI, hardly the place to be, for the working class, is it?
The labour party are so lost in a jungle of their own making, they could never even find the rubicon again, let alone cross it back again.
The labour party, to all intents and purposes is dead, deceased, ceased to be - a la monty python.

BlackeyedSusan · 03/03/2023 18:15

Crewcut · 03/03/2023 17:40

Dear Labour leadership,

Until you define women as people with a material biological reality who are adult, human and female you can FUCK OFF AND DO ONE.

Sincerely,
A Middle-Aged Woman

This. Saves typing Blush

ResisterRex · 03/03/2023 18:13

Wondered if this tweet would have a second outing. It has:

twitter.com/lascapigliata8/status/1631713354489241600?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The menopause plan is the squirrel they need to divert from Dodds' plan to expand "hate crime".

Camdenish · 03/03/2023 18:00

“Workington man” didn’t want to vote in all the nonsense that came with Corbyn. No one believed the true red Labour area would go blue. Until it happened. They seemed to forgot women live in Workington too and get a vote!

In the true red areas of Islington and Camden boring old mums are meeting online and in cafes and pubs. They won’t be voting for all the nonsense that comes with Starmer. Come to my doorstep and tell me what a woman is.

TheGenerousGardener · 03/03/2023 17:51

I'm another one who feels very uncomfortable about this sudden focus on menopause. I think it's about women being a 'problem' or an 'issue' because of our ovaries. It's yet another way of removing our sex, and instead merely defining us by our organs, changing as we age.

Labour can fuck off unless they accept that woman=adult human female. We're more than menstruators, cervix havers, and now, menopause sufferers.

Crewcut · 03/03/2023 17:40

Dear Labour leadership,

Until you define women as people with a material biological reality who are adult, human and female you can FUCK OFF AND DO ONE.

Sincerely,
A Middle-Aged Woman

DemiColon · 03/03/2023 17:40

GloomyDarkness · 03/03/2023 14:44

Dodds announced this week that Labour would require workplaces to produce action plans to support staff going through the menopause. But it is NHS waiting lists and chronic illnesses that are often pushing women out of work, even when they would prefer to stay.

I know the menopause affect women very differently and I would hope employers could be more understanding of the unlucky few.

However I was literally told my training was being block in my 20s as I might leave possibly to have kids was left go during pg - faced prejudiced for having kids and now just as my kids are pretty much independent and I've hit mid 40 lets make employers paranoid about hiring women this age because actually doing stuff like improve NHS access to long term conditions or giving GP better menopause training or access to specialists services things that would actually help is too fucking hard and might cost government some money.

Honestly, this just looks to me like another worthless hoop that businesses will have to jump through that will do fuck all for anyone. It will maybe create a few consulting jobs for certain types of otherwise useless university grads.

I can't imagine anyone who is actually trying to run a business that has some kind of real productivity will welcome it.

nilsmousehammer · 03/03/2023 17:34

😂😂😂😂

Yeah, a bunch of petrol station flowers is not going to cut it. At this point, Starmer arriving down a mountain on skis with a rucksack full of milk tray would not cut it.

Beamur · 03/03/2023 17:30

I think someone already summed it up for me.

No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex

Labour has made it very clear in recent years how little respect they have had for women's voices, especially middle aged women.
Hubris if it turns out that it's those votes they need.

RudsyFarmer · 03/03/2023 17:23

Until they know what a woman is they cannot possibly help us.

JanesLittleGirl · 03/03/2023 17:22

To paraphrase Anneliese Dodds, "Look, a squirrel!"

AmuseBish · 03/03/2023 17:20

Imnobody4 · 03/03/2023 17:14

Reminiscent of the pink bus if you ask me.

It's literal violence to remind me of that Angry

Imnobody4 · 03/03/2023 17:14

Reminiscent of the pink bus if you ask me.

twitterexile · 03/03/2023 17:14

FOJN · 03/03/2023 16:11

Labour eyes are on voters from Workington, as well as Worthing and Worcester – but they are on middle-aged women.

Oh I do hope they up their campaigning game and come door knocking in my neighbourhood, I'd like the opportunity to tell them to fuck off. There is no way I would help them win a gold fish at a fair nevermind an election when they seem so utterly confused about basic biology and if they are not confused then they are liars.

Seconded.