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I don't agree with the ad-hominem comments on Sam Smith, India Willoughby et al.

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TERFCat · 02/03/2023 18:56

Basically as the title says.

I think gender ideology can be robustly criticized without the need for comments on any individual's appearance or dress sense.

If you go to Twitter, a lot of the GC accounts I follow are currently laughing at Sam Smith for his latest magazine cover. I don't like SS, but I do think that they is free to dress how they want. SS shouldn't be body shamed either as they has a perfectly normal body.

Same goes for India. Don't like them, but I don't think their clothes etc should be mocked.

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BellaAmorosa · 02/03/2023 20:25

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willingtolearn · 02/03/2023 20:24

@GromblesofGrimbledon

You're not commenting on his clothes though, you're commenting on him.

You say Dress 'like a twat' - that's a comment on the person, not what they're wearing.

You're saying that what someone wears makes them a 'twat'.

Say you hate what he's wearing, that's fine. But it doesn't make him a 'enter insult here'

It's very close to 'wearing a short skirt makes you a whore'.

BellaAmorosa · 02/03/2023 20:18

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 02/03/2023 19:40

Mocking celebs is fine by me as long as the commentary is humorous.

This goes for all badly-dressed celebs, regardless of biological sex or gender identity.

I used to absolutely adore websites like Regretsy and Go Fug Yourself.
Laughing at shit fashion choices is always fun, but it’s extra fun when the wearer is a pompous personality type.

I also compare it to the costumes and staging at Eurovision. Some of it is ridiculous, so why shouldn't we laugh? They (celebs in general) dress up in outlandish costumes in a bid to be on the next day's front pages. They want attention on their getups. They cannot dictate whether that attention is positive or negative. No-one is going round to SS's house and shouting "Oi, you look like a twat!" through the letterbox while they are having their tea.

BluebellBlueballs · 02/03/2023 20:17

willingtolearn · 02/03/2023 19:11

I agree @TERFCat

Individuals have the right to wear what they wish without judgment or personal comments being made that denigrate them. The only limit to this is if the outfit is designed to expose genitalia.

For me this is true whatever their sex, age or physical attributes.

I fear a society that seeks to dictate what individuals wear, using shaming or even modesty laws to achieve this.

You sound fun

Codlingmoths · 02/03/2023 20:17

I agree really. I haven’t seen IW comments but I’ve seen a few comments re harry styles gets adored for similar levels of quirky/genderfluid while sam gets slammed for it and that seems true. Sam should get slammed for throwing women under the bus but I don’t care what they wear. I can’t see gc women saying the outfits are asking for it helping here.

ArabellaScott · 02/03/2023 20:16

I also don't like making personal comments on people's appearances, OP.

So, on the whole, I don't.

Logicoutofthewindow · 02/03/2023 20:12

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CoraggioCara · 02/03/2023 20:12

Hard agree OP.

Maya F said it: 'People are worthy of respect. Ideas are not'

JKR said it: 'wear what you want...'

EarringsandLipstick · 02/03/2023 20:10

Fladdermus · 02/03/2023 19:11

From now on I'm going to identify as Sam Smith and declare my fat rolls to actually be inflatable pants.

The posts here are absolutely brilliant. It's threads like this that pull me back from the brink when I'm about to flounce from MN

EarringsandLipstick · 02/03/2023 20:09

VaddaABeetch · 02/03/2023 19:07

Me is free to comment how me likes about thems or is it theses?

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BatFaceOwl · 02/03/2023 20:01

Seems to me that Harry Styles is lauded for his outlandish dress sense - he's worn dresses galore, nail polish, make up, mesh etc, often looks ridiculous

Sam Smith? No, because he's fat. And I think that's a lot to do with it

I'm not a Sam smith fan but I did laugh at his fisherthem comment. He's clearly taking the piss out of his detractors and for that reason I almost warmed to him.

But not quite Grin

JacobsCrackersCheeseFogg · 02/03/2023 19:58

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knittingaddict · 02/03/2023 19:58

TERFCat · 02/03/2023 19:03

I said "they is free" as I'm not sure how pronouns work on this board these days. It's been a while since I've posted as I had two warnings (for mis-gendering) and didn't want to get banned.

How are we allowed to refer to Sam Smith?

"they are" is grammatically correct, not "is".

bellinisurge · 02/03/2023 19:56

Saw a theory that he's humiliating himself because of some sort of thing with a sexual partner.

Axahooxa · 02/03/2023 19:54

@HorribleNecktie perfect life advice.

I did agree with @TERFCat but then saw the black party feature- incredible.

EpicChaos · 02/03/2023 19:53

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GromblesofGrimbledon · 02/03/2023 19:48

Baaaaaa · 02/03/2023 19:43

If you take the piss out of me because I have a big nose, that's bullying.

If you take the piss because I'm wearing a foot long prosthetic nose, that's fair game.

He is ridiculous. He's trying to be ridiculous.

I think it would be more powerful to ignore the fool though.

Well said.

It's ridiculous to say people can wear what they like and everyone has to shut up about it. Just thinking on that for one second is enough to realise it's complete nonsense.

It's also not what Sam Smith wants. He's not looking to be accepted for dressing like that- he wants to be talked about.

mach2 · 02/03/2023 19:44

This "they" shit is ridiculous. Understanding for dysphoria is one thing but this gender stuff is rot, rubbish.

There is no such thing as "non-binary" or "gender fluid" because gender has no physical basis, unlike biological sex. Gender roles are social conditioning - trans ideology reifies gender as if it is something tangible.

Demanding to be called they, zir, hir or any other of the tortuous variations is ridiculous self-indulgence and it's an outrage that people (mostly women) are ostracised for refusing to go along with it.

It's bloody silly and deserves mockery.

Baaaaaa · 02/03/2023 19:43

If you take the piss out of me because I have a big nose, that's bullying.

If you take the piss because I'm wearing a foot long prosthetic nose, that's fair game.

He is ridiculous. He's trying to be ridiculous.

I think it would be more powerful to ignore the fool though.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 02/03/2023 19:40

Mocking celebs is fine by me as long as the commentary is humorous.

This goes for all badly-dressed celebs, regardless of biological sex or gender identity.

I used to absolutely adore websites like Regretsy and Go Fug Yourself.
Laughing at shit fashion choices is always fun, but it’s extra fun when the wearer is a pompous personality type.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 02/03/2023 19:36

Sam Smith has a tantrum resulting in Brit's making a category gender neutral. Consequence is no females nominated at all.

GC people point out Sam (a celebrity who is courting attention) wears a ridiculous outfit and Sam Smith has hurt feelings.

One of these actions is definitely more harmful than the other. Now which one is it .... > ponders > ...

Deadringer · 02/03/2023 19:35

I am gc and think SS wears awful outfits and is a twat. My dds are not gc and they think SS wears awful clothes and is a twat. What's your point?

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