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Scotland turning into a banana republic without the bananas as they "elect" the next El Presidente

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lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 14:37

Just read this and my mind is blown. It's like reading about a South American dictatorship running "elections" to re-elect El Presidente beloved of the people!
wingsoverscotland.com/the-last-days-of-saigon/
The first link in that article "last night’s article on Craig Murray’s site" makes my heart sink to read. Over the years I have really softened to the idea of Scottish Independance. If the Scots think they are better of going it alone, then who are we to interfere? But the blatant corruption and utter lack of democracy in Scottish politics is starting to make me think the Scottish aren't up to running their own country. Like a small child who tells you they are totally up to using the gas cooker unsupervised, it's cute but not based in reality. It's an utter travesty what's happening, and a complete betrayal of the Scottish people.
Can whisky even be made from bananas?

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Fukuraptor · 01/03/2023 23:05

As someone who doesn't support independence, I have a real scepticism about Wings as a source given the half truths, innuendo, conspiracy crap and downright lies he was posting during the independence campaign.

I suspect that he enjoys stirring things up from Bath or wherever he is based now and getting the clicks.

That's not to say I am impressed with the SNPs internal democracy (they do indeed have a gagging clause for their members which is why there is so little dissent compared with e.g. Labour) or the way they have run things in Scotland (definitely not a fan) but I wouldn't trust Wings as a reliable source just because he knows women are female. A stopped clock is right twice a day, and all that.

NatashaDancing · 01/03/2023 23:04

Oh and as "for get out more" . I'm one of the owners of a business employing over 400 people.

NatashaDancing · 01/03/2023 23:02

ChocolateCandleStick · 01/03/2023 22:50

I’m sorry but these GC threads feel more and more like a rabid hate for Scotland, for its politics and culture, rather than a meaningful discussion on gender these days. So many commenting here aren’t even in Scotland and don’t even live here— or maybe visited once.

Some of the comments about Scotland becoming a dictatorship are literally bonkers. Seeing mumsnet compared to 4Chan in 2018 is now more a reality.

I was here for the gender discussions but not for this!

I studied dictatorships and fascism at undergrad, I can literally discuss anything I want in Scotland, yes I might get criticism on Twitter but I won’t get murdered in my sleep…

The discussions here do a real disservice to and dishonour people actually killed and ‘disappeared’ from the time during Nazi Germany to those under Pinochet’s regime…

Despite what you think, gender isn’t the only thing here and maybe some of you should actually visit. Or if you live here, maybe get out more. The politics isn’t as harsh and ideological in practice as the media would have you believe. It’s really not as extreme as some of you seem to think, maybe spend less time online/Twitter and actually get out in the real world.

I’m gonna go now, mumsnet has literally lost the plot

(name changed as embarrassed to now be associated with these GC threads)

I live and pay tax in Scotland. I'm not posting from a gender critical position.

The current Scottish government is a disgrace. The Greens are basically Communists. They got less than 1.2% of the vote yet hold ministerial posts and are dictating government policy.

And you can bore off with your "hatred of Scotland" nonsense. That was the line peddled by the separatists in 2014 - anyone who didn't support the hare-brained, no thought at all, no grasp of reality idea of independence was "anti- Scotland". No we weren't - far from it.

ChocolateCandleStick · 01/03/2023 22:50

I’m sorry but these GC threads feel more and more like a rabid hate for Scotland, for its politics and culture, rather than a meaningful discussion on gender these days. So many commenting here aren’t even in Scotland and don’t even live here— or maybe visited once.

Some of the comments about Scotland becoming a dictatorship are literally bonkers. Seeing mumsnet compared to 4Chan in 2018 is now more a reality.

I was here for the gender discussions but not for this!

I studied dictatorships and fascism at undergrad, I can literally discuss anything I want in Scotland, yes I might get criticism on Twitter but I won’t get murdered in my sleep…

The discussions here do a real disservice to and dishonour people actually killed and ‘disappeared’ from the time during Nazi Germany to those under Pinochet’s regime…

Despite what you think, gender isn’t the only thing here and maybe some of you should actually visit. Or if you live here, maybe get out more. The politics isn’t as harsh and ideological in practice as the media would have you believe. It’s really not as extreme as some of you seem to think, maybe spend less time online/Twitter and actually get out in the real world.

I’m gonna go now, mumsnet has literally lost the plot

(name changed as embarrassed to now be associated with these GC threads)

lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 22:23

@NatashaDancing
The party has a policy, passed during a private session of a conference that excluded the press, which prohibits public criticism of official policy or elected members.

This sounds like a line straight out of Soviet Cold War Russia.
When The Party prohibits public criticism of policy or members, it might start by being applied only to party members, but what sane mind thinks they will be happy stopping there. Why not just stop everyone criticising The Party?

Putin right now clamps down hard on critics. Any Russian criticising the war accidentally dies from falling out of a window even if they were on the ground floor. Putin has done 5 terms at the top so far as either President or Prime minister. He has to keep swapping back and forth because the Russian constitution, like most countries, limits consecutive terms at the top. So he bounces back and forth but he's the one in charge whatever his official title. He needs a second person to fill the other role while not disrupting his power, so Dmitry Medvedev does that.
Sturgeon is gone, but on the way out she and her husband are trying to rig who her sucessor is. Do you think she won't yield any power through the person she puts in her seat?

Anyone following JKR on twitter sees Iranians being sentenced to death and executed for criticising the Iranian regime.

In China The Chinese Communist Party controls everything. Dissent is not tolerated, never has been.

To hide party workings, to hide leadership elections, to hide lawmaking, to hide laws, is to hide democracy. The reason Sturgeon's gender bill was so badly formed is because it was built hidden in the dark away from the input and wishes of the people of Scotland. The reason it turned into such a political disaster is purely because a greater power exercised oversight over the Scottish legislature with section 35. Well, that and a multiple rapist in a wig with his cock poking out of his tight leggings. Sturgeon's ultimate goal was, and still is, to remove that oversight that prevented a catastrophe for Scotland.

It looks to me like the SNP see Sturgeon leaving as only a minor setback. She wants to decide who replaces her. The chosen sucessor has a history of clamping down on free speech. His Hate Crime Bill clamps down on so-called hate speech inside the home. No one in the home needs to be offended. If any person outside any home finds out what was said by any person inside any home, and considers it hateful, that's now a criminal offense in Scotland.
Sturgeon leaving will not change the path of the SNP if Sturgeon gets her way.

The motto of The Washington Post is "Democracy Dies in Darkness". There is no better way to ensure darkness and opacity than to control who gets to participate, and who gets to see the inner workings of politics. To stop any light at all shining on the process is to guarantee the darkness that is the death of democracy. This looks like a fledgling attempt to build a brand new dictatorship, in Scotland of all places. Never could I have imagined this happening in my lifetime.

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NatashaDancing · 01/03/2023 20:21

Shelefttheweb · 01/03/2023 15:49

Tories have always fought between themselves. I actually think it is a good thing. If you have ready rebels then you have to win them over, you have to argue your policies. Of course, at times, they have got a bit carried away. Labour fight too but don’t seem to as much as the Tories (or maybe they just haven’t been in power for a while). The way the SNP never defie the party (because them were the rules) always struck me as profoundly undemocratic.

The party has a policy, passed during a private session of a conference that excluded the press, which prohibits public criticism of official policy or elected members.

None of the other parties do this (well the Greens might)

NatashaDancing · 01/03/2023 20:19

lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 15:16

@2bazookas
Who will Scottish voters vote for to deliver a reckoning?
I don't see them voting Tory, Labour. Who is there to vote for to deliver a reckoning?
The mainland isn't much better. Tories have trashed everything. Labour aren't sure wheat a woman is even though they want their votes. Lib Dems are also woman guessers but more of a joke than Labour. Greens etc... may as well vote for Lord Bucket Head - probably get better leadership out of him too.

I vote Tory.

The party has a policy, passed during a private session of a conference that excluded the press, which prohibits public criticism of official policy or elected members.

This ^ is chilling.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/40d17148-b7b0-11ed-a1e6-75eebc433c21?shareToken=f2bf5bda005e53bc50e7eb99da85951f

ArabellaScott · 01/03/2023 16:42

starting to make me think the Scottish aren't up to running their own country

😶

lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 16:26

Is that the fire brigade turning up to cut him out of the bin?

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Mochudubh · 01/03/2023 16:13

@lechiffre55 "may as well vote for Lord Bucket Head - probably get better leadership out of him too".

Do you mean this guy? You could be right.

Scotland turning into a banana republic without the bananas as they "elect" the next El Presidente
Shelefttheweb · 01/03/2023 15:49

Tories have always fought between themselves. I actually think it is a good thing. If you have ready rebels then you have to win them over, you have to argue your policies. Of course, at times, they have got a bit carried away. Labour fight too but don’t seem to as much as the Tories (or maybe they just haven’t been in power for a while). The way the SNP never defie the party (because them were the rules) always struck me as profoundly undemocratic.

lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 15:16

@2bazookas
Who will Scottish voters vote for to deliver a reckoning?
I don't see them voting Tory, Labour. Who is there to vote for to deliver a reckoning?
The mainland isn't much better. Tories have trashed everything. Labour aren't sure wheat a woman is even though they want their votes. Lib Dems are also woman guessers but more of a joke than Labour. Greens etc... may as well vote for Lord Bucket Head - probably get better leadership out of him too.

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lechiffre55 · 01/03/2023 15:10

I see this killing the Scottish Independance movement for at least a generation. I thought the Tories were a shitshow, but at least the Tories gave each cadidate a knife and threw them all into the Thunderdome together. This stitch up is going to hurt the SNP more than they can possibly realise.
I wonder if it's Sturgeon and her husband deliberately torching the SNP to the ground and then salting said smouldering ground as an act of petty spite.

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2bazookas · 01/03/2023 15:05

@lechiffre55

You seem to have missed the point.
All is well. The SNP is self destructing; to the immense relief of at least half the population including its own supporters.

It hardly matters which acorn gets stuck on the head of Chicken-Licken.

CL will run around Holyrood in ever decreasing circles, squawking. Feathers will fly. Nothing will get done (another huge relief).

Next Election, we'll have a reckoning. Long overdue.

nilsmousehammer · 01/03/2023 14:53

Read it. Yep. They have all gone bloody mad. That needs shouting all over the national press.

nilsmousehammer · 01/03/2023 14:50

I will read the article in a moment but now seeing panic stricken SNP members being airlifted by helicopter while the populace hammers on the gates shouting 'you've all gone bloody mad you feckers...'

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