Triggernometry - changing sides?

KK gets testy full stop. He doesn't like being criticised. I've missed his testiness with Ajah on Twitter but he was peed off with a bloke a week or two ago. Something about audience numbers of Trig and Matt Walsh.

Yes, I reckon this is it.

There are men and "non-men". Women are non-men, but if a man is "unmanly" he can't really a man because men are manly, so he goes in the non-men box with us.

Fwiw, I have read and watched what these men say for a long time. Their views about women as the female sex are patriarchal, and I don't see any change in that. Their reasons for disagreeing with gender identity ideology are linked to their views about the female sex as those views are sex-based, but their goals are not pro-women's rights at all.

I have seen some British men with originally similar views change them a little, due to the gender identity debacle, but that is unlikely to be the case in the US.

There're lots of gay men who are between tra and 'adult female human' definitions. Its to do with drag, and their own sexuality, i think.

Someone like matt walsh will be having none of that, but maybe KK will have been persuaded by that idea? I mean, i cant be the only one who can see dylan is performing for gay men, can i?

I was wondering if KK felt a bit of a twat after having some pushback on twitter about the MW comments and took it out on the nearest woman.
Plus KK is having quite the success in the media at the moment over that climate change speech he did recently and might be getting a bit of an ego after appearing on TV all over the place.
Who knows TBH.
They're definitely not "changing sides" as far as I'm aware though.

The thing I took away from it all was that three men were arguing about whether one of those men had been mean about another man.

The Trigger lads taking issue with Matt Walsh over this suggests they are either OK with the way he often speaks about women or that they can't see his misogyny but they very much recognise Dylan Mulvanney as a man and think he should receive respect commensurate with that fact.

Best leave them to get on with it.

Well, this is the thing. I've been on the receiving end of men suddenly rounding on me in a discussion. It's really discombobulating. A discussion is going on, there's polite dissent and to-and-fro, then a woman chips in and suddenly it's all snarls and ad homs. Really weird.

I'm getting really tired of this. It seems to happen so frequently, and so many men who are otherwise often quite insightful and interesting do jump to sneering and attacking women who they see as 'uppity' for daring to speak on matters they seem to think are beyond us.

I am pretty sure from watching the Triggernometry guys in the past that they are opposed to genderism for reasons which are opposite to mine. They are not pro-equality-of-the-sexes at all.

Neither are Tucker Carlson or Matt Walsh. It's like what someone wrote about these issues: Ku Klux Klan and the NAACP both need to be able to clearly define race but for opposite reasons.

From what I remember.

1. Matt Walsh made that video about Dylan.
2. Triggernometry talked about it on one of their live streams saying that even though what he was saying was right, it didn't help to say it in the way he did. KK called Dylan she a few times during this.
3. Matt Walsh then made a video having ago at Triggernomtry about it.

At some point between 2&3 above (I think), Aya commented to KK about using she pronouns, he blew up and told her to fuck off and blocked her.
It's a pity because he talks sense about a lot of things but really didn't like being challenged by a woman.

I thought it was something to do with Dylan Mulvaney and a Matt Walsh video about him. If I understand correctly, it was along the lines of them not having a problem referring to DM as 'she' now that he has had facial feminisation surgery and the feeling that MW was overly harsh.

But that is only what I have picked up from other people talking about it

They seemed able to deal with Julie Bindel. She doesn’t present especially ‘feminine’ which probably helped them

it’s quite fun watching sexist men deal with feminine presenting take no shit women. Unless you’re the woman in question of course

Belief in gender also makes it possible for men who appropriate femininity to be given legitimacy as pseudo-women. Hence she/her pronouns for men who are sufficiently feminine (specifically in behaviour) since femininity is important to womanhood (because masculinity is important to men).

I suspect they’re of the ‘any man who’d humiliate himself by wearing a skirt and make up and saying he’s not a man must be genuine. I mean what kind of man would want to look feminine? Only a not real man, that’s what kind’ persuasion

and obviously any poor man who is not a real man deserves sympathy, all the pronouns she could wish for and anything else her poor vulnerable heart desires

KK tends to get testy if he is challenged by women in my experience. If it’s a man he will just consider it “banter” or part of a discussion.

They have their own definition of trans, and want the right to misgender when someone doesnt meet that definition. So they wouldn't see a rapist as trans, but maybe someone who looks more 'womanly' or who isnt violent is?

Its basically the right for everyone to have their own definitions of woman and trans.

I do find free speechers who do the pronoun thing puzzling

He was very defensive and angry.

Cognitive dissonance.

Yes, I don't think they have changed sides, because they've never understood the issue from a woman's perspective, even when they've interviewed women about it.

that’s OK. There’s lots of men like that. They’re useful when they’re useful and I’m not obliged to pay them any attention at any other time

Yes, exactly.

Yes, that’s the thing about gender. It’s very flattering for men. It positions them as superior.

Yup, the trig guys strike me as men who LOVE gender and don’t think very deeply about women’s rights and needs

that’s OK. There’s lots of men like that. They’re useful when they’re useful and I’m not obliged to pay them any attention at any other time

There was a spat between KK and Aja and he told her to feck off. Then blocked her. She challenged him about using opposite pronouns for trans people. May have been about Adam Graham, if I recall. He was very defensive and angry.

Since one of the main issues that has dragged me into resisting gender identity ideology is the harm being done the children, I'll welcome anyone speaking against it. They can speak to their audience about that harm and increase the number of people overall who think it's wrong.

I'll also appreciate them telling their audience about male people using gender identity to get into women's prisons.

At the same time I'm relaxed about finding others of their views to be cobblers.